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hawthorn team not as young as media claims
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and of course the oposite to that is bad luck, seems we have had a lot of bad luck especially compared to hawthorn.clown said:
hmm some of that bad luck tambling. meyer, pattison, polo, limbach. mark graham,knobel,p bowden, casserly, hughes, jon,kingsley, peterson, polak, sheesh someone go find the chinaman we ran over and see if we cant square things away.
lamb22 said:Thorp, Dawson, Bailey, Muston, Dowler. Little, Thurgood, Collins, Suckling, Mckentree, Murphy, Kirkby :, Willday, Height
Premiers 2008 the Hawthorn Football Club.
As people say, recruiting is never 100% but Hawthorn's plan to recruit for structure, mental and physical toughness, skill has far eclipsed our "plan" of quick, small players and too many flankers and secondary thoughts to Key Position players and ruckman.
That's the point. I am not upset at the players taken, but they type of players taken. The plan was folly. Hawthorn got it dead right.
Tigerbob said:
Yeah, I'm the same. I was really happy about our recruitment from last year though (other than McMahon) so hoping that will evolve with FJ now fully in charge and CC overlooking him now.
What did you think about last year TB? (We'll just forget McMahon ever happened for purposes of the question lol)
lamb22 said:Thorp, Dawson, Bailey, Muston, Dowler. Little, Thurgood, Collins, Suckling, Mckentree, Murphy, Kirkby :
The overall point is valid, but this a bit of a mischievous list when half of the players mentioned were speculative rookie listers.
Dyer Disciple said:
I have always been impressed with Francis Jackson.
He has the attributes that all very good Recruiting Managers have and one of them he is very thorough in his processes.
I will exclude the 2005 Draft as I still believe it was too soon for us to form an opinion on him.
Last years draft was very good.
Trent Cotchin - People are saying it was an easy decision but he could of gone for Morton, and even though it is too early to make an opinion, to me Trent is the most talented player we have had on our list since a 18 year old Matthew Richardson. Cale not in the same class.
Alex Rance - Structure, structure, structure. Was over the moon to get a CHB and a very good one. Rance has impressed me and looks to be a 200 game player.
Dean Putt - Structure, structure, structure. By now you see what I am a fan of. Dean played at my local team Calder, so I saw a fair bit of him, how he didn't go earlier in the draft is beyond me, 202cm, quick, agile, can take a mark, good below the knees, his only problem was that he was a bean pole, once he builds up watch out.
Dean Gourdis - Again a talented tall taken with upside. Only saw a little carnival games last season and some tapes, but well worth the selection in the pre season, and one PRE poster will back me up when I say I demanded him taken in the Pre season Draft.
;DI would rate that draft as very good with the picks we had. We wont go into the McMahon affair because I will be too abusive. :hihi Imagine adding a Scott Selwood to that draft. Would of been A+.
I will still say the draft of 2006 is the one that changed my perceptions on our young talent, with Riewoldt, Edwards, Connors and Collins. Will go down as a beauty.
CyberKev said:
Noted, although many were high picks . FWIW some of those kids have still got time, talent and opportunity to make it. It was more for the benefit of some posters who fixate over a bad pick or a slow developer through injury or otherwise to the exclusion of the overall picture.
BTW congrats to your boys Kev.
Tigerbob said:
Well here we are again at Trade week. Last year we went in with picks 2, 18, 19, 35, 51, 67 and came out with 2, 18, 51 and didn't use 67. Wonder what we'll finish up with this year.
While we continue to trade for short term fixes, we will not remedy the long term problems with the list. We must at some stage bite the bullet and accept the cost of the remedy.
RedanTiger said:Well here we are again at Trade week. Last year we went in with picks 2, 18, 19, 35, 51, 67 and came out with 2, 18, 51 and didn't use 67. Wonder what we'll finish up with this year.
While we continue to trade for short term fixes, we will not remedy the long term problems with the list. We must at some stage bite the bullet and accept the cost of the remedy.
Absolutely spot on.
Now we are in a very interesting situation. Our rebuild started in 2004 and now our players recruited (mainly on ballers and flankers) have had 3 or 4 years on the list and a ready to go. Can we start another assault with draft picks being used to correct our needs, when our needs are mostly taller players who take longer? If the projected time frame is 2011 - 2015 as our fans say, do we still have time to recruit youngsters onto our list, develop them and then be ready for our Premiership Window?
Also not forgetting that Matthew Richardson is 34, and Troy Simmonds is 31. Probably our two most vital players in terms of structure.
We need Ruckman, we need Key Position Forwards and Tough, Inside Ball Winning Midfielders.
Is recruiting a 24 year old Mark Seaby and a 22 year old Adam Thomson going somewhat towards solving our needs, whilst helping the present?
This is a very interesting time for Richmond.
We go into trade week with picks
8,26,42,58.
Lets see what questions get answered by 2.10pm Friday.
CyberKev said:
And even more mischievous still when in the case of Hawthorn these players stand condemned for their inability to force their way into or establish themselves in among reigning premiership side (the shallow Richmond list is a far easier nut to crack in comparison). It's no disgrace in particular when you are a KPP and not being able to dislodge Franklin, Roughhead, Williams or Croad. Again something to bear in mind when assessing specifically Thorpe (who they have just resigned) and Dowler, and an embarrassment of riches that Richmond could only dream of having.
Tygrys said:
Hang on, neither Dowler or Thorpe have performed at box hill to any level to put them into contention to force their way into the senior line up!
lamb22 said:
Cheers, mate.
I would say that the only player on that list that I regret seeing taken was Little, as he involved a second round pick and always looked limited and mono-dimensional. I would have said Murphy a year ago, but he played solidly this year, and came within a poofteenth of being brought in for the GF at Ellis's expense (he also won the most improved player award at the club's B&F function on Saturday night).
Outside of Murphy, the only remaining players that I'd hold out serious hope for are Thorp & Bailey. Given a solid preseason (and assuming an experienced defender isn't traded for), I expect Thorp to line-up at CHB next season.
I like your point on slow developers. Ellis & Sewell are excellent examples from the GF of players who are worth perservering with, although clubs are unlikely to persist with Sewell types in this day and age, given the time he spent getting his body right and totally rebuilding his kicking action.
Kelvin Moore is a superb example of a quality slow developer at Richmond. Whether through necessity or design, the Tigers have shown faith in some players who look well placed to reward the faith in coming seasons. I think Richmond have a solid looking structure coming into place (outside of the rucks) and are better placed than many would think.
I would think Richmond would be very disappointed if it missed the eight next season. Finals football will be the important next step in the devlopment of your better younger types.
sheesh i wouldnt call ellis a slow developer. has just finished his third yr his only downside was his size. geez he would have only been 65kg wringing wet when drafted. sewell came from the rookie list. made his debut in 2004 is only 24 and has had two or three pretty solid yrs in a row.theres been nothing slow about his development since he got on the list proper.CyberKev said:
as for having a solid structure well that comment is laughable we lack genuinr height and depth in this area. we lack ruckmen big bodies and have far to many outside types and far to many who cant kick properly.