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Hawthorn vs Richmond - Draftees since 2004

thejinx

thejinx

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I thought i'd compare the performance of all the Richmond and Hawthorn draftees since 2004.

Considering we were both in a similar position at the end of 2004, and both had new coaches brought in to reshape the list I thought this would be a worthwhile comparison.

Anyway, here's what I came up with.

GAMES PLAYED BY DRAFTEES SINCE 2004
Hawthorn: 677
Richmond: 549

TOTAL DREAMTEAM SCORE FOR DRAFTEES PLAYING IN 2008
Hawthorn: 1225.6
Richmond: 861.1

Some might say I'm "stating the obvious", as Hawthorn have done extremely well this year. But what percentage of their success has come from youngsters drafted since Clarkson took over?

Its fairly simple, I know, but what it shows is we haven't gotten as many games out of our drafted players since 04, and when they have played, they haven't done as well. So in summary, our drafting, and development of our youngsters since Wallace and Clarkson took over their respective clubs, has been average at best
 
thejinx said:
I thought i'd compare the performance of all the Richmond and Hawthorn draftees since 2004.

Considering we were both in a similar position at the end of 2004, and both had new coaches brought in to reshape the list I thought this would be a worthwhile comparison.

Anyway, here's what I came up with.

GAMES PLAYED BY DRAFTEES SINCE 2004
Hawthorn: 677
Richmond: 549

TOTAL DREAMTEAM SCORE FOR DRAFTEES PLAYING IN 2008
Hawthorn: 1225.6
Richmond: 861.1

Some might say I'm "stating the obvious", as Hawthorn have done extremely well this year. But what percentage of their success has come from youngsters drafted since Clarkson took over?

Its fairly simple, I know, but what it shows is we haven't gotten as many games out of our drafted players since 04, and when they have played, they haven't done as well. So in summary, our drafting, and development of our youngsters since Wallace and Clarkson took over their respective clubs, has been average at best
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May need to refine it a little.

Is that just kids or does that include recycled players?
 
Its both. Draftees of any type.

A spot that's taken on a recycled player could have been used on a younger player, so their utilisation and performance is just as rateable.
 
WesternTiger said:
Well how about re-doing it with only kids if you want to compare drafting and development of youngsters.
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They seem to even themselves out:

YOUNGSTERS ONLY:
GAMES PLAYED:
Hawthorn: 614
Richmond: 504

DREAMTEAM SCORE:
Hawthorn: 1080.10
Richmond: 861.10
 
A possible problem with this analysis though, jinx, is that it doesn't explain why our draftees are playing less than the Hawks' - is it injury, poor form, readiness for afl etc...just some points for consideration, but well done.
 
I am sick of the Hawks v Tigers comparisons. Yeah .. I know Buddy is a gun. Good on him. Do you think Hawthorn would have let him slip to 5 had they known what he would become?

One massive difference that is always overlooked when this inevitable comparison is drawn is the cattle on hand when Plough & Clarko took over. The following are the players running out tomorrow who were on an AFL list PRIOR to the 2004 draft ... blame Frwaley if anyone:

Hawthorn: Richmond:

1. Brown 1. Tuck
2. Gilham 2. Schulz
3. Guerra 3. Newman
4. Ladson 4. Johnson
5. Croad 5. Bowden
6. Mitchell 6. Richo
7. Crwaford 7. Simonds
8. Bateman 8. McMahon
9. Williams
10. Campbell
11. Hodge
12. Sewell
13. Dew
14. Osborne
 
Blueyboy74 said:
I am sick of the Hawks v Tigers comparisons. Yeah .. I know Buddy is a gun. Good on him. Do you think Hawthorn would have let him slip to 5 had they known what he would become?

One massive difference that is always overlooked when this inevitable comparison is drawn is the cattle on hand when Plough & Clarko took over. The following are the players running out tomorrow who were on an AFL list PRIOR to the 2004 draft ... blame Frwaley if anyone:

Hawthorn: Richmond:

1. Brown 1. Tuck
2. Gilham 2. Schulz
3. Guerra 3. Newman
4. Ladson 4. Johnson
5. Croad 5. Bowden
6. Mitchell 6. Richo
7. Crwaford 7. Simonds
8. Bateman 8. McMahon
9. Williams
10. Campbell
11. Hodge
12. Sewell
13. Dew
14. Osborne
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We should be 9 with jackson.
 
Blueyboy74 said:
I am sick of the Hawks v Tigers comparisons. Yeah .. I know Buddy is a gun. Good on him. Do you think Hawthorn would have let him slip to 5 had they known what he would become?

One massive difference that is always overlooked when this inevitable comparison is drawn is the cattle on hand when Plough & Clarko took over. The following are the players running out tomorrow who were on an AFL list PRIOR to the 2004 draft ... blame Frwaley if anyone:

Hawthorn: Richmond:

1. Brown 1. Tuck
2. Gilham 2. Schulz
3. Guerra 3. Newman
4. Ladson 4. Johnson
5. Croad 5. Bowden
6. Mitchell 6. Richo
7. Crwaford 7. Simonds
8. Bateman 8. McMahon
9. Williams
10. Campbell
11. Hodge
12. Sewell
13. Dew
14. Osborne
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jackson n brown coughlan hyde pettifer raines moore are a few you left out. in 2004 dew gilham and guerra were not at hawthorn only two of the remaining 11 playeers mentioned had played more than 30 games that was 30 yo crawford and croad. wallace did rate our list better than hawthorns the fact is under clarkson most of the players mentioned have developed.

the real issue is the player types they have targeted since 04 in comparison to us.in particular talls and big bodies and where they have been prepared to take those talls in the draft. under clarkson, roughhead 2, franklin5, taylor 53, dowler6, birchall 14,bailey 18. gilham rookie, thorpe 6, renouf 24, mcentree rookie.
 
Buddy, Roughy and Lewis kind of distort these stats a little bit.

We've only had Deledio come in and make an immediate impact.

When you look at draftees from 2004-2007 I think t's pretty even. The 2005 draft might cost us, otherwise depending on how the current youngsters develop, we might have drafted better than them overall.

Take out Buddy and who have Hawthorn recruited that puts us to shame?

We have JON, but they have Dowler.

We have Tambling, but they have Ellis.


I'd back Deledio to match Buddy's career and even surpass it anyway. It's easy to keep your cool when you're 2nd on the ladder, and even then he is easily the most undisciplined player in the AFL. Will lose a lot of games off his own boot and the media always turn.
 
jb03 said:
What the hell dos that mean?
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He is worse than Richo in this aspect. When Hawthorn are down by 2 goals in the last quarter and he misses 3 shots on goal the media will come down on him hard.

Nick Riewoldt and Matthew Pavlich are recent victims of the "he's not a star because he misses crucial shots on goal" line.

Buddy will be critisised a lot more than the above footballers over the course of his career, but not until Hawthorn drop back down to the rest of the pack.

Obviously still a superstar, I'm just pointing out he will be prone to a lot of critisism when his team isn't winning.
 
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