bullus_hit said:Dyer'ere said:
2003 25 Hawthorn HARRY MILLER 11-Jun-85 174 78 41 Hawthorn ZAC DAWSON 22-Feb-86 195 79 51 Hawthorn MATTHEW BALL 21/02/1982 185 85 2004 2 Hawthorn JARRYD ROUGHEAD 23/01/1987 193 88 5 Hawthorn LANCE FRANKLIN 30/01/1987 196 87 7 Hawthorn JORDAN LEWIS 24/04/1986 186 87 21 Hawthorn THOMAS MURPHY 19/03/1986 189 83 26 Hawthorn MATTHEW LITTLE 3/01/1986 187 74 53 Hawthorn SIMON TAYLOR 18/08/1982 200 100 2005 3 Hawthorn XAVIER ELLIS 28/02/1988 186.3 71.7 6 Hawthorn BEAU DOWLER 16/12/1987 194.6 84 14 Hawthorn GRANT BIRCHALL 28/01/1988 191.9 84.4 18 Hawthorn MAX BAILEY 23/10/1986 205.8 93 22 Hawthorn BEAU MUSTON 1/03/1987 189 78.8 38 Hawthorn TRAVIS TUCK 7/09/1987 187.5 79.1 2006 6 Hawthorn MITCHELL THORP 25/12/1988 194.1 86.4 24 Hawthorn BRENT RENOUF 3/05/1988 200.3 92.5 33 Hawthorn JARRYD MORTON 5/10/1988 191 80.7 40 Hawthorn JOSH P. KENNEDY 20/06/1988 187 90 56 Hawthorn GARRY MOSS 5/07/1988 179.5 69.9
This is who the Hawks have taken at the past four ND meetings. I've included the 2003 selections. I don't think they serve any purpose other than to show a shift in philosophy from 2004 on.
Interesting that Wallace has openly stated that the 4:1 midfielder to bigman ratio has been the recruiting doctrine espoused by Richmond over the last couple of years, Hawthorn lon the other hand looks to have gone roughly 1:1 although one must consider they have transformed their spine from the 2001 season.
At a glance, 2004 looks to have been reasonably fruitful although I would have taken Griffen at 2 and replaced Lewis with a midfielder with a little more upside potential. Little doesn't inspire a lot of confidence either..................no bones about Taylor as most picks in the 50's are a 50/50 proposition at best.
2005 looks very promising draft with Birchall proving to be very AFL capable, Ellis and Dowler both extremely promising juniors and Muston (providing the knees hold up) a shrewd choice. Don't know about Bailey being so high but time will tell. Just as a footnote, I was interested to read that Colin Wiseby will never have a tap ruckman in his top 15 (including Leuenberger) due to the slow return on investment.
2006 I thought would be the great midfield draft for the Hawks but it wasn't to be - Selwood would have been my choice at 6 but Thorp has potential never the less. Renouf, was a strange choice in a draft this deep (in my humble opinion) and I believe there will be at least half a dozen mids who would have been better selections. Moss is a fly weight and will take 2-3 seasons to bulk up - definitely a project player.
I think realsitically the Hawks will remain in the bottom half of the ladder next year which may not be a bad result, if they can snare another top five selection and focus on bolstering their running stocks they will be well placed to plan for the imminent retirement of Crawford - same goes for the second round if the talents available.
I would think that the Hawks are still a couple of seasons away from really challenging and will also need to stiffen up their defence when it comes to taming the monster forwards of the game.
One final word, it will be interesting to see if the young brigade display loyalty to the club if success and stability doesn't come within the next season or two, this in my opinion is one of the big risks in adopting an all or nothing youth policy and with vultures like the EFC lurking in the shadows, one can never be too careful.
If we had taken Griffen at 2, we may of missed out on Franklin cause Dogs may have taken him at 3 of Richmond at 4 so you never know. I wouldn't want to take that gamble, he's one the one juniors we will be structuring our games around.
Lewis looks a good solid player already and once gets another couple of pre-seasons into him should improve just as any junior once he gets his weight sorted out, much like Watson from Essendon IMO. Looks very composed and unlike many drafted from his year is already excelling in the middle of the ground, with great stats and very limited game time.
Taylor was a late pick for insurance, we need him as backup at the moment so that is still justified with our lack of ruckman at this stage. Little looks a handy player, whether we need him or not yet is still debatable with our forward structure taking place over the next season or so. Roughead and Franklin have had only 2 years as key position players but both have made solid contributions on their day, especially Franklin, probably need 4-5 years before you can tell their true worth as I'm sure you have worked out having *smile* who still finding his feet.
The next draft, Ellis, Dowler, Muston, Tuck, Bailey, Birchall..... that's three outside mid/flanker types in Ellis, Muston Tuck that many say we haven't drafted... all look promising, and the big bonus is tuck at this stage who is a year in front of development than we thought and has built up nicely over the summer so far looking much bigger. Birchall had a dream debut, I didn't predict that, I don't know a lot about Dowler except that he's a pure full forward type lead player, suited to the modern game and Richmond were after him that year I believe. Bailey was taken high, but we needed a developing ruckman that year, and there were no guarantees he would last to the rookie draft with Collingwood rumoured to be keen on him at pick 21.
This year.. Renouf too high? That's debatable as some are saying we got a steal with 24 so I'll wait and see, he has potential to play as a key back as well, playing CHB for Southport Seniors in WA.... so I wouldn't rule him out as just a ruckman with pick 24. Morton another tall utility type play who is very mobile, Moss is small but quality as such a late pick, captain WA, good all round player, and Thorp was the player we were after at 6 given who was always going to be gone.
No guarantees ever in drafting but I'm pretty satisfied with how we've drafted to re-shape the list.
Runners/Outside types: Young, Ellis, Muston, Tuck, Birchall
Inside Mids: Lewis, Kennedy, Moss
Key position: Dowler, Franklin, Thorp, Roughead
2nd/3rd Talls: Little, Murphy, Morton,
Rucks: Bailey, McEntee, Renouf, Taylor
Pretty well balanced drafting IMO. We've got the posts in play first, with the key position, ruckman, inside mids etc whilst still adding some quality running players. This means over the next draft or two we can look to add more pace and running ability, which is possibly easier to find, costs less to trade for, and they develop quicker than the key position type players.
Only real blunder or thing I would change looking back on it (which is easier now 2 drafts later to see than it was then) is I'd taken a young ruck option at 26 (like Maric from Crows) rather than little in 2004 as he'd be coming on now ready to start playing some decent footy. Although Bailey is only one year behind and had a really promising start from a rookie ruckman.