He is back

[evo]

Gaspar v Leon Davis 2nd q - i don't have to say anything more - even my wife said what a poor effort from Gas

Don't be harsh, Leon Davis is much bigger and stronger then Gas. Gas did well not to be steamrolled by such a brute.

His kcking was a delight as well.

Leave Gas alone....... without him in the side we have not shot at pick 1.

always love your work Scoop.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Come on all you Gaspar bashers.

Give the guy some credit. He is back. The Darren Gaspar of old.

2 very good games.

Care to reconsider?

 

[Tigerbob]

*smile* is back!!!!

Give me a *smile*ing break!

The most *smile* weak performance from a human being. Made me physically sick watching him. I hate him.

Stop beating around the bush Tb.......................... :

Go on back him up?

Anyone happy with him being in our team are losers just like our club and Darren *smile*!

When will I get over this pain I feel. I've never hated anyone in my life - but right now, theres a few of the ones in the yellow and black, that I hate!

 

[Phar Ace]

*smile* is back!!!!

Give me a *smile*ing break!

The most *smile* weak performance from a human being. Made me physically sick watching him. I hate him.

Stop beating around the bush Tb.......................... :

Go on back him up?

Anyone happy with him being in our team are losers just like our club and Darren *smile*!

When will I get over this pain I feel. I've never hated anyone in my life - but right now, theres a few of the ones in the yellow and black, that I hate!

Mate, I'm the last bloke to back Gas up - I complained to Miller when he gave Gas a 5 year contract (and got a response). He's just a bloody backman (who can't kick) and deals of his kind ought to have been reserved for marque CHF or on ballers. In an ideal world - you don't even need a FB - but such a footy nirvana will never exist for Richmond. That's not to say that I haven't enjoyed his best stopping skills - but I repeat - he is just a bloody FB. We overcommitted!

No, my comment was just directed at your over-the-top comment on the man. But is does make for an interesting day ;D

 

[goose]

I SAY AGAIN - THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING LAMB 22. HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF YOUR RIDICULOUS STATS THIS WEEK.

PLEASE DON'T TELL ME YOU HAVE JUMPED OFF YOUR MAN GAS !

YOU WERE QUICK WITH THE INSULTS LAST WEEK TO THOSE WHO SAID HE COULD NOT PLAY AND WOULD COST US. YOU HAVE GONE VERY QUIET.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Shouldn't have played if the matchups weren't there.

Coaching panel is responsible for this one unfortunately.

Terry has to start making some tough calls on senior players.

 

[shawry]

Shouldn't have played if the matchups weren't there.

Coaching panel is responsible for this one unfortunately.

Terry has to start making some tough calls on senior players.

Iagree, ridiculous utting him on Medhurst. Bowden should never have plaed on Rocca either,

 

[lamb22]

I really cant judge whether he had a good game or not until Elmer does his disposal by disposal review. When are we liley to recieve that masterpiece

BTW you are a goose. Gas had a pretty good first half and tiges should have been 8 goals up bar the stuff ups of your Bowdens, Richo and company and you engage in your childish drivel.

If you want facts GAS had it 13 times and turned it over twice.

GAS was mismatched on Medhurst and kept him to two kicks in three quarters. Really silly to have GAS run off Medhurst when Raines Moore Bowden or even Polo would have been a better choice. Medhurst got away from him and kicked two cheap ones on him and that gave him the points over GAS who would be disapointed with his last quarter. He had three kicked against him by a hack like Medhurst so GAS should be disapointed with his game.

GAS should have been matched uip on Rocca and I have said many times on many posts (unfortunately not in crayon so you may have missed it) GAS should play on the gorillas or he shouldn't play at all.

BTW who used the ball better on the weekend Tuck, Bowden, Richo or Gaspar.

To complete the record GAS has now had 7 goals kicked against him in 7 games and if you want to claim the freak Davis goal when GAS had to cover for some slack tiger back pocket that's 8 in 7 games. There you go goosey, facts and nothin but the facts.

 

[Elmer]

OK Elmer done the homework for you, noting that the following is not foolproof without going through every game and noting match ups - but is a handy general overview. I have used final siren compare players to see how certain players have gone when their teams have met and both respective players have played. I have compared a key forwards goal and possession output against Gaspar as against their average. Thes are results:

GASPAR WINNERS

Player Career ave pos Pos against Gas Career ave goals ave goals against GAS GAS ave pos

Carey 16.9 13.9 2.9 2.6 11.1
Tredrea 15 14.6 2.3 1.9 9.1
Barry Hall 12.1 11.4 2.4 2.3 11.5
Dunstall 11.1 9 4.6 3.5 11
Tarrant 12.4 8.6 1.9 0.5 10.4
Jon Brown 14.4 13 1.7 1.6 10.2
Gehrig 11.7 11.9 2.0 1.9
(Gehrig would have a bigger average as a forward - played mostly CHB at West Coast - averages about 10 agaisnt us when Gas is not playing


BREAK EVEN

FEV 10.4 10.7 2.6 2.6 14.1
(although noted recent goals have come against Bowden even though GAS playing probably GAS slightly ahead - In fact if you take out 2004 when Gas was shizen and Fev kicked 8 mostly on other backs and the three he kicked on Bowden recently FEV has a total of 7 goals in 5 games against GAS (1.4 a game))
Grant 15.1 13.3 1.6 1.6 12.1
S Rocca 9.3 9.6 2.9 2.9 13.9



GAS LOSER


Lockett 9.9 11.8 4.8 6.3 9.4
LLoyd 13 13.8 3.6 3.8 11.8
Neitz 10.9 9.9 2.1 3.3 10.4
(slightly misleading goal average for Neitz as he played execlusively CHB for 4 or 5 seassons and then exclusively forward probably a 3 goal plus average as a forward) .

So ther you have it - I will concede Lockett as clearly bettering GAS , LLoyd well - he has had some help from the ump against us but otherwise generally held or beaten teh other big guns 0 of course has often oblitereated the second tier forwards.

With those sort of stats you might think played in a top side with low scores kicked against it - not a side who has finished top 8 only once over in a decade. When you factor in that he has been assisted by one of the poorest defences and midfields over that period - its a pretty impressive list of scalps.

Probably doing GAS an injustice as a lot of the goals kicked against him probably relate to errors by others but hey this a as good as you are going to get on the cheap.

Lamb

Heeeeeyyyyy Elmer - the silence is deafening!!!

Sorry Lamby, I was in detention! That homework you gave me.

Thanks for your lunch money too by the way.

I was in detention as the teacher said the homework I handed in was completely irrelevant and contradictory. (He said I copied it too! Apparently remembered someone else handing in “the exact same tripe”)

I had to re-do it and explain why it was completely off subject. How Gaspar’s performance in the past decade really has very little relevance as to whether he should be playing rounds 3 (we know how that turned out), 4, 5 and beyond in 2007.

Then I was taken to task over the numerous escape clauses and nonsensical gibberish. How the whole thing was prefaced with saying I don’t really know who played on who and so couldn’t even relate it to “my” subject; ‘Gaspar’s last decade’ and not the topic set to the class, ‘*smile* is back’

Then the figures came out and I was applauded for at least finding something but shamed over the interpretation. Apparently he didn’t rate 0.3 of a goal being significant enough to determine a win or a loss. “Utter tosh” he said. Which I thought meant good, but doesn’t.
(Just glad he didn’t say anything about the 0.1 or 0.2’s)

Went on about how they would need to play 10 games for 3 goals and I admit I tuned out. I thought ‘Lamby gave me this and he always has reliable stats and is fair with interpretation.’ The teacher must be just plain wrong. Why look at the ones with single goal differences where Gaspar is 2 -2?

But I had to agree when he said those figures just prove Gaspar at his best holds the forwards to around their career average. Average at best.

I think the real reason he kept me in detention was “my” last argument. You know the one. How the figures I provided about goals kicked on Gaspar (the ones I said you can’t read too much into) are overblown. How really it is the faults and skill errors of others to blame for the inflated figures.

Just then, he dropped to floor and claimed he was having a heart attack. “WHAT” he yelled clutching his chest as he went down, “…….what about the goals he gives away with his diabolical disposal, do you add them?,”. The last thing he said was “Elmer – DETENTION!”

 

[Tigermad2005]

Just the wrong match up.

 

[Elmer]

Gaspar's kicking has always been a problem. Hudghton and Prestigiacomo, similar types, are not much good by foot either. I'm okay with the type.

At his best Gaspar routinely carved up many of the best forwards in the comp. His record against Carey was very good and kept getting better. He HAS BEEN an excellent key back.

His form in the aerial contests year to date has been very good IMO. Not far off his best work- although he is a lot more sensible in the air these days. And his kicking is no worse than usual, maybe even better.

But at the ground contests he's been miles below his best. He is losing his feet way too often. His handball, which was excellent ten years ago, is just awful.

Although his aerial confidence seems to be pretty robust, I don't think he's used to playing with the smalls he has around him. He just doesn't seem to know where to look when he's in the traffic. In the past, when Bowden and Kellaway were around him, they were able draw the ball from him. But AK is gone and JB has a man to mind. (does this mean a rise in decision making errors?) - Elmer

He's not getting the support he once did because the backline does not have the experience playing together.

Some of his handballs are falling short at one metre range- he's not the only offender. At his best, he could handball. There is a real lack of conviction in his use by hand.
To be fair to Gaspar, some of our handball, particularly in the backline is not up to suburban standard at this stage of the season. It's a malaise. He can only get better in this respect over the coming weeks. I hope he does.

Fair assessment Jack. Early days he used to break tackles and handball forward to running players - lost a bit here could be down to loss of core body strength and leg strength (reco woudn't help).

At his best he was a one touch player and very positive with disposal (even if others wre less positive about his disposal)

Still contributing and calming the gun forwards though which is a fair effort after the knee.

You're a hypocrite Lamby, Why do agree with those points when Jack says them but not others?

Have the courage to at least stick to your guns that *smile*’s disposal in 2007 is still good. Is it only the posters with 200 or less you try to browbeat?

(Note: This is not a post directed at Jack’s position and he is obviously a very respected poster. Rather the wishy washy nature of The Lamb's stance and his perception of targets)

 

[Elmer]

Heeeeeyyyyy Elmer - the silence is deafening!!!

I doubt elmer has been silenced by your lame efforts 22. He probably works and doesn't have time to spend all day trolling up stats.

Your stats are hardly convincing - nominating wins on a 2.4 average down to 2.3 average - please.

As you have been told - we are not talking about Gaspars past - we are talking about the PRESENT. Elmer went through last weeks game possession by possession and refuted the so called brilliant stats that Gas put up. You were pretty silent then.

Gaspars performance in the past is totally irellivant to what is happening now. It means nothing - since then he has suffered a serious knee injury and has lost a lot of confidence. As Elmers account showed, he is a liability going foward.

Try and remember that your opinion is not the only one and your futile efforts at backing them up are quite pitiful. I'm sure that being related to Gas it must be hard for you to hear this criticism, but try and be objective if you can.

PPuuleeeasee --Is that it - woeful. You are just like a kid who wills something to happen and then cries when it doesn't eventuate. I answered yours and your peer Mr Fudd's ludicrous claims that Gaspar's recent form is bad. He has had 4 goals kicked on him in his last 6 games by some of the game's marquee forwards in Hall, O'loughlin, Tredrea, Neitz, Tarrant and Whitnall (OK more marquee tent in Lance's case).

His disposal objectively has been assessed as 90% efficient this year and Fudge of Champion data provided figures to show Gas' average disposal gained 43 metres on the weekend only second to Lids 54 metres at Richmond.

This stats prove nothing is not an argument - its just a dummy spit from someone who has no argument and no credilibity.

As for Elmer's critique of GAS what a joke. We have a subjective critique of what decisions GAS should or should not have been made in the heat of battle by some anonymous armchair internet warrier (or it it worrier) . So your argument is we are not to take into account disposal efficency and distance figures provided by professionals which are bought and used by all 16 clubs but we are to take notice of a review by Mr Fudd.

Paraphrasing Mr Colbert your argument appears to be "I dont believe in reality because it has a Gaspar bias"

If you are not going to make an effort at least a teeny weeny bit it wont be fun playing with you any more!

Sheesh - you're at it again. Every post is subjective!!! That's the nature of this site isn't? "Internet worriers" on a 'faceless online forum' for Tiger people to critique their club and offer their opinion on various issues. I didn't know you were the arbitrator of objectivity. Did I tell you about my detention?

As for the stats from last weeks game, you can use stats to prove anything. 90% of Richmond supporters know that.

I acknowledge I don't understand how CD data stats work? (Aren't some of them 'junk' anyway?) How can GAS average 43 metres per disposal against Sydney when he missed the target by foot 4/7 (I'll give you the McGaune incident, even though i don't agree) and the rest were handballs. I asked at the time whether the following Deledio executions, Howart free kick and out of bounds are counted? (the distance subsequently gained) It is not for Fudge to prove, but I'm still in the dark on that front.

I don't want to reach too low Lamb chop, play nice!

 

[Elmer]

Gaspar v Leon Davis 2nd q - i don't have to say anything more - even my wife said what a poor effort from Gas

Don't be harsh, Leon Davis is much bigger and stronger then Gas. Gas did well not to be steamrolled by such a brute.

His kcking was a delight as well.

Leave Gas alone....... without him in the side we have not shot at pick 1.

always love your work Scoop.

But he makes them earn it. ullhair Always has.
Have you're heard the one about how he roughed up Hall last week?

 

[Elmer]

I really cant judge whether he had a good game or not until Elmer does his disposal by disposal review. When are we liley to recieve that masterpiece

BTW you are a goose. Gas had a pretty good first half and tiges should have been 8 goals up bar the stuff ups of your Bowdens, Richo and company and you engage in your childish drivel.

If you want facts GAS had it 13 times and turned it over twice.

GAS was mismatched on Medhurst and kept him to two kicks in three quarters. Really silly to have GAS run off Medhurst when Raines Moore Bowden or even Polo would have been a better choice. Medhurst got away from him and kicked two cheap ones on him and that gave him the points over GAS who would be disapointed with his last quarter. He had three kicked against him by a hack like Medhurst so GAS should be disapointed with his game.

GAS should have been matched uip on Rocca and I have said many times on many posts (unfortunately not in crayon so you may have missed it) GAS should play on the gorillas or he shouldn't play at all.

BTW who used the ball better on the weekend Tuck, Bowden, Richo or Gaspar.

To complete the record GAS has now had 7 goals kicked against him in 7 games and if you want to claim the freak Davis goal when GAS had to cover for some slack tiger back pocket that's 8 in 7 games. There you go goosey, facts and nothin but the facts.

I got the stats pork chop; He gained 55 metres a possesion and had a 99.9% efficieny rating. (Note: Stats have 1% margin of error - source: bollocks.com)

Goose - Don't you know it is the others players fault why Gaspar's man kicks goals? I've been given the homework to prove it. Apparently using others people bad games to justify Gapsars position in the team is not a diversionary tactic. 'Look over there, look at his history, look at the stats, just don't look at the AFL rounds of 2007'.

Did I tell you it was the coaches fault too Goose? Not for selecting him, but because they don't have enough faith to play him on the oppositions main (slow) key forward. Although Gas's historical stats say A.Rocca scores 0.08 more goals on Gas than his career average so I actually think it was a good decision by the coaches.

Gas turned it over the twice in 13 possesions!!!!!!!! Care to run through any of those for us cheeky chops? Preferably not in crayon if you can drag yourself away from the kiddy table.

I'm off to shoot some fish in a barrel. It's fun. Or perhaps just a good lie down

 

[Elmer]

What sort of player he was 5-10 years ago has zero relevance to why he should be in the side in 2007.

Are you inferring Gas shouldn't be in the side this year Elmer? If so, and you had the chance to drop him, who would you play in his place?
Forget the form from past seasons and I think you'll find Gas' form this year justifies his selection.

I certainly hope he stays fit and keeps it up. We'll be a far better team for it. Disappointing the whipping boys on the site are being flogged so much when they've actually been doing a decent job.

Our backline as a whole, capably led by Gas, was very servicable agaisnt the Swans. They worked very hard. If only the ball could be held in our forward line more so the backs didn't see so much of it each week.

Rosy I know this is my millionth post in a row on this subject, I'm sick of reading me too. (Please don't ban me! I'll stop, I promise. :hihi)
[There's a few easy lines for you]

However it is my first direct reply from you and I'm honoured to retort.

Clearly I do think Gaspar should be gone. As to who to replace, I am not 100% sure. The cupboard is pretty bare. However given our sides status, that we are in transition and trying to build a list, I think it is anyone but him for a lot of reasons.

Primarily as IMO he will not be on the list next year. I don't think he is offering anywhere near enough to justify his spot. If TW thought at the beginning of 2007 he was to have his full side (Cogs, KK, Simmo, Brown and dare I say it Hall) and push for the 8, I'd acknowledge the argument for keeping his experience in the side, although I wouldn't agree. But that isn't the case now.

I am not for playing the kids just for kids sake. But I would rather Hughes (might light a fire under him,) Roo Jnr, Polak, J Bowden, hell even McGaune, Jackson or Hall and Thursfield when fit to see if they have any chance. At least it will give more information to take hard decisions at years end.

I disagree with you that his Sydney (and now Collingwood. post your post!) have been good. Each to their own.

Despite the billion posts in a row, I have never really "whipped" Gas before and disagree I was jumping on the band wagon. The numerous posts since have more to do with others double standards and IMO very flawed reasoning on this subject.

Anyway, I think it really is time for a lie down.

Asta la pasta

Elmer

 

[goose]

Superalitive stuff elmer.

 

[lamb22]

Nice work Elmer - love your passion - but it is really time for a lie down

Before you do though, I think however you should scapegoat some of the guys whose job is create attacks like Johnson, Tuck and Bowden who turn it over more than GAS (sorry reality bias interposed there) or Richo whose job is to capitalise on the fine defensive work by GAS in keeping us competitive in games this last decade.

I pictured you and Goose at the game cursing under your breath as Medhurst didn't touch the ball for three quarters and then whooping and hollering in the last as the floodgates opened.

I have never argued that Gaspar hasn't got deficiencies in his game- its just that Gas as target is misplaced. GAS did his job in the first half (even though mismatched) and if our mids and forwards had done the job - the game would have been over at half time. Our mids (senior players) let us down again and the defence as usual over the last ten years had to put up with a torrent of ball coming down with no pressure.

Your failings are that you understate Gaspar's defensive work and vastly conflate and overstate his failings with ball in his hands. That's probably why you are still in that remedial class you (very humourosly) described earlier.

I do see where you have gone wrong though - bullocks.com is not a very reilable stat site ;D

Cheers Mr Fudd

 

[Elmer]

Nice work Elmer - love your passion - but it is really time for a lie down

Before you do though, I think however you should scapegoat some of the guys whose job is create attacks like Johnson, Tuck and Bowden who turn it over more than GAS (sorry reality bias interposed there) or Richo whose job is to capitalise on the fine defensive work by GAS in keeping us competitive in games this last decade.

I pictured you and Goose at the game cursing under your breath as Medhurst didn't touch the ball for three quarters and then whooping and hollering in the last as the floodgates opened.

I have never argued that Gaspar hasn't got deficiencies in his game- its just that Gas as target is misplaced. GAS did his job in the first half (even though mismatched) and if our mids and forwards had done the job - the game would have been over at half time. Our mids (senior players) let us down again and the defence as usual over the last ten years had to put up with a torrent of ball coming down with no pressure.

Your failings are that you understate Gaspar's defensive work and vastly conflate and overstate his failings with ball in his hands. That's probably why you are still in that remedial class you (very humourosly) described earlier.

I do see where you have gone wrong though - bullocks.com is not a very reilable stat site ;D

Cheers Mr Fudd

It was a fun day. We called me Mav and you Iceman
It's OK. Goose dies.
Then we team up and saved RFC

Gosh it's a nice story, Great Movie!

 

[lamb22]

It was a fun day. We called me Mav and you Iceman
It's OK. Goose dies.
Then we team up and saved RFC

Gosh it's a nice story, Great Movie!

You up for this one Maverick?, lets turn and burn! But saving the RFC is a tough gig I'm not going to sit here and blow sunshine up your ass so you and goose get your butts in action and lets nail that son of a *smile*! I want somebody's butt, I want it now, I've had it!

 

[Elmer]

It was a fun day. We called me Mav and you Iceman
It's OK. Goose dies.
Then we team up and saved RFC

Gosh it's a nice story, Great Movie!

You up for this one Maverick?, lets turn and burn! But saving the RFC is a tough gig I'm not going to sit here and blow sunshine up your ass so you and goose get your butts in action and lets nail that son of a b!tch! I want somebody's butt, I want it now, I've had it!

"That's a negative 'Ghost Rider'. Pattern is full"