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Hey Henny Penny's: It's a GOOD thing

Mr Pumblechook

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Too many posts reflecting pessimistic interpretations of yesterday’s events.

Is it just me who’s sees it as a major positive – a little bit of a line in the sand moment? Why?

The alleged Morton incident has acted as a catalyst for the players, as a unified group, to approach the coach to address what they perceive to be shortcomings with the on-field approach.

The HUN commented today that “(s)enior Richmond players demanded meaningful on-field changes at yesterday's meeting with Wallace.” And later “Newman said Wallace had the players' support and the meeting was designed to change elements of the team's on-field approach.”

This is great. It shows commitment and solidarity from the playing group. The players are as one, and want to win.

And what changes do they want? On-field. That’s the game plan and personnel – the two most common criticisms of Wallace’s coaching on PRE.

To anyone, such as Andrew Bews, who would suggest that this indicates the tail is wagging the dog, think again. For a long time – too long – the players have been striving for success attempting the Wallace plan – and for whatever reason, it hasn't worked. As a result of the Morton catalyst, the players have found cause to voice their concerns - that's not the tail wagging the dog - that's healthy. There is no suggestion that the players didn’t conduct themselves in a perfectly appropriate manner (note: “demanded” was the journo’s word – not Newman’s), unlike the Wallace tirade. The leadership group should be able to approach the coach, and if anything, events suggest that Wallace has been too unapproachable.

Wallace is gone (one and seven) at seasons end - that’s a given. And so long as misreporting by the media, and incessant pessimism from some supporters don’t overwhelm the momentum, yesterday’s events could be a turning point. Not necessarily for this year, but for several years to come. CARN THE TIGERS!
 
Mr Pumblechook said:
Is it just me who’s sees it as a major positive –

I dunno if it's just you MrP but I certainly can't see yesterday's events as a positive at this stage. I wish things were very, very different. My heart breaks that the club I love is in the position it is.
 
Alternatively I can see something like what happened a few years back when was it Walls?? in charge and we went to Squark Park and got towelled by about 130 points by the Crows......
I can see the b*mmers doing that on Saturday night proving that the players dont want to play for Wallace and giving us supporters more misery to endure.....
 
Good on Newie. Shows leadership IMO. Newman ain't a yes man. I like that.
Wish someone had done it two years ago.

Everyone bar Terry knows his gameplan sucks the big one.
About time someone he respects points it out to him in no uncertain terms.

Too late to save him though.
 
This "playing for the coach" thing is null and void now. If it's true that Newy led the drive to confront Wallace and change the playing style, then it's all in the players court now. If Wallace does play their game plan and tactics, the boys have a *LOT* to prove. They now need to show Wallace and the club that they do have heart and can play this game we call aussie rules.

Lets see what the boys are capable of on Saturday.
 
Didn't the StKilda players approach Ross Lyon a couple of years back about his game plan and how they could not play that style and look where they are now.
 
mudstar said:
Didn't the StKilda players approach Ross Lyon a couple of years back about his game plan and how they could not play that style and look where they are now.

True, except that I think it was probably less than two years ago.

I guess there is a time to persist with something that isn't currently working if you have reason to believe it will.
There is also a time to acknowledge when long enough is long enough, and it just isn't going to work.

rosy23 said:
I dunno if it's just you MrP but I certainly can't see yesterday's events as a positive at this stage.

If you distil all the media output down to something what is probably factual, I struggle to see the negatives for anyone except Wallace.

* Wallace gave a player an inappropriate spray - a negative for Wallace, not the players.
* That the players felt it necessary to arrange a meeting to discuss their concerns with the coach - a negative for the coach/players relationship and communication, a positive for the current leadership group.
* That the RFC had to water down the media hype - a negative for the media, a neutral necessity for the Tigers.

Wallace is gone, so his ledger is somewhat irrelevant. The media have looked laughable. But the players' ledger is in the positive.

What am I missing that is so bad?

Baloo said:
If it's true that Newy led the drive to confront Wallace and change the playing style, then it's all in the players court now. If Wallace does play their game plan and tactics, the boys have a *LOT* to prove.

I'm not suggesting that the players have walked in with "their game plan and tactics", but rather questioned things like "we play our best footy when we go long, why aren't we doing more of that, instead of lots of handballing which get's us into trouble", and similar.
 
I have a lot more respect for Newman if he had the courage to speak up to the senior coach like that. Especially so early in his captaincy.

A bit of healthy debate is always a good thing, and if the team AND the coach can come to a single consensus on how they should play, then we will be all the better for it.

Whatever the new plan is, it can't be worse than what it has been. Anything is worth a shot.
 
I've just read the Wilson and Gleeson/Niall articles in The Age.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/rifts-emerge-between-tiger-coach-and-some-of-his-players/2009/05/19/1242498752166.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/touch-of-the-bard-at-punt-rd/2009/05/19/1242498752169.html

Despite the communication problems, I think the club comes out of both these articles quite well.
 
Mr Pumblechook said:
yesterday’s events could be a turning point.

oh, one of those again.

pretty soon it'll be a "light at the end of the tunnel"
 
Mr Pumblechook said:
Not quite, but are you suggesting "turning points" or "light(s) at the end of the tunnel" are not possible?

They are possible but not on the back of yesterdays events.

The only way this club can turn things around is if they have a strong focus on youth, the national draft and improving the list structure. And by that it needs to start a youth/tank strategy now, cut deep into the list and maximise the amount of picks they have in the national draft each and every year for at least 5-6 years. We need to strictly adhere to this process every year and not get side tracked with possible short cuts that may come along. Then we might see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
There is no such thing as a born Leader - Learship is forged on the front line of battle, Newman I think was the captain of various junior teams that won Premierships in 7 of his 8 years of captaincy, certainly would explain why he had no trouble confronting Wallace and Cameron. Could very well be that the unlikely hero that for 27 years we have been looking for is NOT a superstar footballer but a great leader who has the strength of character to lead men rather than outstanding individual talet to win games. Time will tell, but maybe just maybe this will be the making of the RFC.
 
Agree, we are 100% better team playing simple man on man, accountable football - we just lack the intestinal fortitude to win (think back to draw with Bulldogs last year as well).

Terry is calling every marker he has from his media mates from the 5/10 fiasco until now to paint himself as the "victim" and get himself sacked by the club most famous for it (though we haven't sacked a coach for nearly a decade doesn't count). The club quite rightly are sticking to their guns and honouring the contract signed at the commencement of Terry's tenure.

The club knows they hold the whip hand at the moment and there is nothing to be gained from sacking Wallace. It's only a matter of time before the announcement is made that Terry won't be coaching next year and he knows it - Terry is just trying to get the flick before the announcement is made and pocket a cool six figure payout. Once the announcement is made Wallace has nowhere to run - coach the year out for dead markers, or repeat the Bulldogs exit.

I wonder if anyone can wipe the smile off Smorgon's face this week...
 
Harry said:
They are possible but not on the back of yesterdays events.

The only way this club can turn things around is if they have a strong focus on youth, the national draft and improving the list structure. And by that it needs to start a youth/tank strategy now, cut deep into the list and maximise the amount of picks they have in the national draft each and every year for at least 5-6 years. We need to strictly adhere to this process every year and not get side tracked with possible short cuts that may come along. Then we might see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Fair enough - I don't disagree that list needs improving. I guess I'm looking at it from a different perspective. Was the action of the players positive or negative?

Small acts can have significant impact on attitudes, and I would say that players actions were positive. And that it has the potential to have a positive influence on the group. Regardless of how many new players come into the club over the next few years, there will always be many older ones remaining on the list, who will unavoidably influence the younger ones. Is it not better that the influence is positive?

So will we end up with a flag on the basis of what happened? No. But given I think the players actions turned a negative into a positive, I think it has the potential to be a turning point of sorts.

Caveat: I'm basing all the bits I read in the papers and believe to be true - it could all be BS ;D