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how do you remain a premiership threat?
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Tango said:
I disagree, I believe that whilst you are at the top and contending for premierships you owe it to everyone to go for it. If it means dropping to the bottom for a while so be it but premierships are so hard to come by you have to have a crack every time you are a genuine chance. Manage your list management around those not crucial for a premiership and clear them out slowly and bring in the next batch. Injuries etc always occur and will ensure they get some semblance of opportunities.
Since 2001 every premership has been to an interstate club. And of those 5 premierships, 4 of them have been to clubs who had significant advantage as to how much money they can play their players as compared to the rest of the competition
Bris 3 peat Port and the Sydney win, basically confirms that Melbourne clubs have little or no chance of being premiers under the current system. Until the salary cap is even once and for all, only then will empire ( melbourne clubs ) ever have a chance of striking back.
The last 4 years are no fluke. An interstate home ground advantage is a huge advantage, culminate this with two home interstate finals, and melbourne clubs are just making up the numbers. Add into the mix that the MCG, really holds no advantage for any side ( it is a neutral ground ) then you can see why the writing is on the wall. Add also the financial strength of these interstate clubs ( the crows have 45k memebers and waiting lists for tree years to become members ) when the melbourne clubs split the victorian financial pie 8 ways they really have no chance.
It will really have to be an extroadinary melbourne team with an extroadinary financial strength ( only the pies ) who will have any chance to win a premiership. They could do this for example by manipulating the system, having great strength, and tanking for draft picks ( last year ) then they could invest in more money than any other club is sports science and have the best injury list ( this year ) then they could manipulate the draw to ensure that they only go interstate 2-3 times and play 15 plus games in melbourne ( every year ) then they could use their clout to ensure they own all the big games like Anzac day ( every year ) then they could use their clout to intimidate any unhappy sponsors ( TAC thus year. It also helps if your president is the CEO of channel nine. Only the pies ahave these comparative advantages over the other clubs in melbourne... they have this to the detriment of the other melbourne clubs ( like richmond ) Even with all these free kicks they are still behind the eight ball against the powerful interstate clubs.
Basically we ve got no hope !
Bris 3 peat Port and the Sydney win, basically confirms that Melbourne clubs have little or no chance of being premiers under the current system. Until the salary cap is even once and for all, only then will empire ( melbourne clubs ) ever have a chance of striking back.
The last 4 years are no fluke. An interstate home ground advantage is a huge advantage, culminate this with two home interstate finals, and melbourne clubs are just making up the numbers. Add into the mix that the MCG, really holds no advantage for any side ( it is a neutral ground ) then you can see why the writing is on the wall. Add also the financial strength of these interstate clubs ( the crows have 45k memebers and waiting lists for tree years to become members ) when the melbourne clubs split the victorian financial pie 8 ways they really have no chance.
It will really have to be an extroadinary melbourne team with an extroadinary financial strength ( only the pies ) who will have any chance to win a premiership. They could do this for example by manipulating the system, having great strength, and tanking for draft picks ( last year ) then they could invest in more money than any other club is sports science and have the best injury list ( this year ) then they could manipulate the draw to ensure that they only go interstate 2-3 times and play 15 plus games in melbourne ( every year ) then they could use their clout to ensure they own all the big games like Anzac day ( every year ) then they could use their clout to intimidate any unhappy sponsors ( TAC thus year. It also helps if your president is the CEO of channel nine. Only the pies ahave these comparative advantages over the other clubs in melbourne... they have this to the detriment of the other melbourne clubs ( like richmond ) Even with all these free kicks they are still behind the eight ball against the powerful interstate clubs.
Basically we ve got no hope !
The only way to stay on top or near the top without bottoming out is to trade for early draft picks. This notion about not disturbing or tearing the fabric of the club ignores the fact that players are highly paid professions. The days of playing simply for the love of the jumper are over (they aren't going to chuck it in simply because the guy who buys all the rounds after a match has been traded).
The only fabric that would really be torn would be the overly sentimental attachment that some supporters have toward certain players. And even that would be tempoary when the gun top 5 or top 10 draft picks start producing (everyone loves a young champion)
Personally I think the 'fabric' of a club suffers more when you end up near the bottom with dwindling crowds, with aging champions no longer able to produce and a demoralized team (although when you are just beginning a shot towards the eventual bigtime it is probably exact where you need to be). For what it's worth I think Essendon should have traded Hird, just like we should have traded Richardson (albiet admittedly both teams were on different ends of the ladder). Both clubs would have been reaping the benefits now...
The only fabric that would really be torn would be the overly sentimental attachment that some supporters have toward certain players. And even that would be tempoary when the gun top 5 or top 10 draft picks start producing (everyone loves a young champion)
Personally I think the 'fabric' of a club suffers more when you end up near the bottom with dwindling crowds, with aging champions no longer able to produce and a demoralized team (although when you are just beginning a shot towards the eventual bigtime it is probably exact where you need to be). For what it's worth I think Essendon should have traded Hird, just like we should have traded Richardson (albiet admittedly both teams were on different ends of the ladder). Both clubs would have been reaping the benefits now...
Phantom said:
There was an interesting article of Gubby Allen (Leigh Matthews right hand man) in The Age a few weeks back.. Not sure if you read it Phanto... According to the article both Allen & Matthews realized after winning the first two premierships that their list management was at the crossroads.
They went to the board with two scenarios. the first was to try and make history. They believed at the time that their list was good enough for 4 ppremierships in a row, but after that time, Brisbane would be in the cellar dweller. The second scenario was to be more active straight away..
I recommend the article if you can find it.
tigersnake said:
Great post TS - and we've started to adopt a similar culture/attitude to contracts which is very pleasing...with Coughlan leading the way at the contract table.
Tygrys said:
I reckon you're plain wrong. First, while footy is a pro sport, culture is also still a huge aspect. Second, we sold Ottens who had more value than Richo at the time (heh heh), and we now NOW REAPING THE BENEFiTIMUNDOS