How does RFC stack up against other wooden spooners since 1995?

[rexy]

Not what I am saying Rexy. As I said in the inital post, more just posting it for the people who do believe he should stay past 2010 possibly if we don't make finals that I have been talking to on other threads. Just food for thought is all, most of us on here "know" things, but sometimes they don't sink in until we see them in black and white as a overall picture.

OK I get the gist now DD. You are posting to the minority here though. Only the most ardent TW lovers could see a future in 2010 (without finals success in 09) for the tanned one.

I was initially glad we got Wallace because I thought he'd bring that ex Hawthorn toughness/skill to TigerLand.

Ironic though how the Hawks chose a non Hawthorn coach and managed to bring the toughness/skill back to Hawthorn.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

however hasn`t march stated that they will make their minds up about wallace in july or august?
i`m sure i read that somewhere.
it would be ridiculous if we appointed him to another term in august and then we faltered and finished ninth.
or vice versa.

Indeed they have Mopsy, but I think the smallest shock RFC could deliver in 2009 would be if we hear a statement in the media along the lines of...Club and Wallace put of contract talks till later in the year to focus on finals. (If we are doing well).

If our first half of the season is abysmal, I doubt Wallace will even make it to the end of the season. Wayne Campbell better go out and buy some nice suits just in case. ;D

 

[Dyer Disciple]

OK I get the gist now DD. You are posting to the minority here though.

For sure, I never claimed otherwise.

I was initially glad we got Wallace because I thought he'd bring that ex Hawthorn toughness/skill to TigerLand.

Ironic though how the Hawks chose a non Hawthorn coach and managed to bring the toughness/skill back to Hawthorn.

I agree, I still have faith in Wallace. I think it's very hard to do those things when your dealing with boys as opposed to men. More to the point, Hawthorn recruited for that in large part, whereas we did not.

However that is beginning to change now with the Thomsons, Hislops and bigger bodied players we are recruiting now.

 

[rexy]

You seem to have concluded that the Port & Bomber rejects are bonafide midfield material. I like this confidence and until proven otherwise will assume that they will enhance our other Guns in Delidio, Cotch, Foley Cuz, Tuck, Tambling & friends.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

You seem to have concluded that the Port & Bomber rejects are bonafide midfield material. I like this confidence and until proven otherwise will assume that they will enhance our other Guns in Delidio, Cotch, Foley Cuz, Tuck, Tambling & friends.

Conclude would be a strong word. I don't assume anything. Just as rejects is. I don't seem them as rejects at all.

I do have a strong faith however they are going to be strong contributers to our club. Yes. I rate both of them highly and look forward to them proving themselves at our club.

 

[the claw]

Conclude would be a strong word. I don't assume anything. Just as rejects is. I don't seem them as rejects at all.

I do have a strong faith however they are going to be strong contributers to our club. Yes. I rate both of them highly and look forward to them proving themselves at our club.

thomson and hislop are concerns. especially thomson he will be in his 5th yr and if he doesnt perform this yr all and sundry would be within their rights to question . does noone have a concern that here we have a 22 yr old in his 5th yr and hes managed just 28 games. he may meet requirements as far as type goes but does he have enough quality about him. this is what will be answered next yr.

 

[rexy]

Agree reject was a srong word. Just got my doubt's about big bodied trades/recruits at the moment, given the history of this type of recruitment for all clubs.
If Jackson, Hartigan and Cogs were right then this wouldn't be an issue. I can see that the club is trying to cater for a deficiency though which is hard to argue against. Just got a feeling the names Thompson & Hislop won't be as big as some might think at the end of 09.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

thomson and hislop are concerns. especially thomson he will be in his 5th yr and if he doesnt perform this yr all and sundry would be within their rights to question . does noone have a concern that here we have a 22 yr old in his 5th yr and hes managed just 28 games. he may meet requirements as far as type goes but does he have enough quality about him. this is what will be answered next yr.

Plenty of elite midfielders running around who only started cooking in their 4th and 5th seasons Claw.

The time he has spent on ground he has been impressive no?

 

[Hayfever]

thomson and hislop are concerns. especially thomson he will be in his 5th yr and if he doesnt perform this yr all and sundry would be within their rights to question . does noone have a concern that here we have a 22 yr old in his 5th yr and hes managed just 28 games. he may meet requirements as far as type goes but does he have enough quality about him. this is what will be answered next yr

Not really. IIRC you were writing off Kel Moore for exactly the same reasons only twelve months or so back(5th year, aged 23, only 24 games). It's all about being given an opportunity and good coaching. Kel Moore is now a deputy vice-captain at RFC and deservedly so.

As you correctly say "he may meet requirements as far as type goes but does he have enough quality about him. this is what will be answered next yr". At least we are giving him an opportunity and at the same time covering for the likes of Coughlan and Johnson if they fall by the wayside. I think it's a reasonable gamble and support it.

 

[the claw]

Plenty of elite midfielders running around who only started cooking in their 4th and 5th seasons Claw.

The time he has spent on ground he has been impressive no?

just voicing my concerns i understand the reasoning why. the good thing is hes only 22.the risk reward factor is okay as well.and we certainly needed to find some help for tuck and in particular foley. i dont think mark williams a fool i have concerns that having coached him for 4 yrs hes prepared to let him go. 4 yrs for a small is lots of time he is now in the window where he should be established at a club. the rub is kicking is questionable pace is not great and like hislop his ability to play away from the midfield/onball is limited.we will see in one respect its pleasing to see some toughness and size brought into the team.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

just voicing my concerns i understand the reasoning why. the good thing is hes only 22.the risk reward factor is okay as well.and we certainly needed to find some help for tuck and in particular foley. i dont think mark williams a fool i have concerns that having coached him for 4 yrs hes prepared to let him go. 4 yrs for a small is lots of time he is now in the window where he should be established at a club. the rub is kicking is questionable pace is not great and like hislop his ability to play away from the midfield/onball is limited.we will see in one respect its pleasing to see some toughness and size brought into the team.

Understand your thoughts, all fair and reasonable.

Food for thought.

Gilham and Symes recently left Port, Symes very similar to Thomson in wanting more opportunity. one's become a premiership player another handy. Hardly "failures".

I don't think Williams is a fool either and has a good history developing players, but he is not infallible and more to the point (I can't figure out why myself) but their midfield seems hard to break into as Williams is perservering with his ideal model and often supplementing it with his twilighters/seniors rather than kids.

Williams stated on record Thomson will not be going anywhere at the end of the year and he rates him highly, then Thomson was gone, Willaims is not the type to mince words and suger coat players If he didn't rate him he wouldn't say that. I believe Thomson left on his own volition not
was let go".

I know some are big believers in "clubs don't let players go they rate" that is generally true but never infallible either, some players get it in their head they either want to go home or will get more opportunity elsewhere and go. I honestly believe that was Thomson.

As far as his kicking, it's average but not hideous as people make out. His pace is definitely not as bas as people make out. Around the packs he knows where to burst run and does so effecient enough, that's all a player of his type needs to. His a true insider/clearance expert, not a running set up play/ encourage leads type. Your certainly right on his versatility, though i suspect a sammy mitchell/cross would be the same, I see him in a similar light as them in playing style.

We definitely need some more toughness and size in the team, especially on ball, so our additions this year have been fantastic in that regard.

 

[the claw]

Understand your thoughts, all fair and reasonable.

Food for thought.

Gilham and Symes recently left Port, Symes very similar to Thomson in wanting more opportunity. one's become a premiership player another handy. Hardly "failures".

I don't think Williams is a fool either and has a good history developing players, but he is not infallible and more to the point (I can't figure out why myself) but their midfield seems hard to break into as Williams is perservering with his ideal model and often supplementing it with his twilighters/seniors rather than kids.

Williams stated on record Thomson will not be going anywhere at the end of the year and he rates him highly, then Thomson was gone, Willaims is not the type to mince words and suger coat players If he didn't rate him he wouldn't say that. I believe Thomson left on his own volition not
was let go".

I know some are big believers in "clubs don't let players go they rate" that is generally true but never infallible either, some players get it in their head they either want to go home or will get more opportunity elsewhere and go. I honestly believe that was Thomson.

As far as his kicking, it's average but not hideous as people make out. His pace is definitely not as bas as people make out. Around the packs he knows where to burst run and does so effecient enough, that's all a player of his type needs to. His a true insider/clearance expert, not a running set up play/ encourage leads type. Your certainly right on his versatility, though i suspect a sammy mitchell/cross would be the same, I see him in a similar light as them in playing style.

We definitely need some more toughness and size in the team, especially on ball, so our additions this year have been fantastic in that regard.

hmm gilham was an interesting one. he managed just 1 game in three yrs was an early draft pick #16 in 02 so he had 03 04 05.
in 03 port had bishop cornes paxman wakelin thurstans and morgan as kpds so he was certainly drafted with a long term view in mind.

in 04 port added chaplin pick 15 and pettigrew pick 46. to their kpd list. their list comprised bishop,chaplin, cornes,gilham, pettigrew,thurstans and wakelin.
this effectively remained their kpd list for 05.

plain and simple it seems port culled what they thought was the weakest link they delisted him and hawthorn pounced and put him on their rookie list. with a little hindsight perhaps port should have gone one more yr with him or got rid of bishop or wakelin a little earlier than they did.

interesting that this yr port took trengrove at 22 and another kid broadbent at 38 who may be a bit small for kp. it seems they dont have a problem in addressing list short falls thru the nd.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Port manage their list well. They make calls on guys early which I wish we did more of, but I think we are starting to ala Meyer. Sometimes you'll get it wrong as they have and we might have, but generally you'll get it right. I'd much rather do it than not do it. For every handy player you loose you'll also loose 5 list cloggers.