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How many afl standard players are on our list

Brother, you are dead right IMO.

We have no small BP and no CHF. I don't really care about the BP hole. We'll fill it in five minutes. In a year we'll have too many of em. CHF is the one we'd all like covered.

I've quoted Sheedy and Parkin previously on the troublesome CHF slot. The shared view of footy's great philosophers is that if you have nobody to play CHF then that's exactly who you play there- Nobody.

And that's who'll play there for us for most of the year.

Not for all the year, though. Sometimes Stafford wil play FP to give cover to NGB (FF) and Richo will go to CHF. Jackson, if he keeps improving, might make a versatall forward and give us a leading target to relieve Richo to take CHF.

ATM I think we're planning to use Richo in the #1 forward position with stints up the park at CHF with NGB increasingly taking the #2 slot as the season wears on (and his diminutive right calf regrows).

Most of us couldn't figure why we kept Stafford on the list. I think I do now. Stafford is in the frame for stints up forward to give support to Richo and NGB. Unlike Simmonds he takes a good mark. Unlike Simmonds he can really use his body to give cover to a team-mate (or mutilate an opponent). Pattison doesn't seem to be ready. Stafford is in the breech until he is.

Pattison, as Wallet has stated repeatedly is to play CHF for us when he's ready. Wallet seems to be a lot more confident about his ability to do this than most of the fans but TW is usually right.

K.Pettifer played a sneaky CHF role for us last year. He doesn't get up to the wings. The rucks and tall backs play this half of the role. But he gives a target outside the arc and sends it in. It's only a matter of time until Kayne starts to draw a tall opponent. (That's why he needs to work on his ground game.)

Tambling was used in a marking role on Wednesday. TW is definitely looking to get some Mark Williams (Hawthorn) into his game. And he'd could be really something.

I won't be surprised if Tuck spends a lot more time forward this year. He takes a very nice grab and usually converts. Cogs plays his best non midfield footy forward. A bit like Tuck. And Deledio will still be used in attack. This one can play. With more options in the middle our midfielders get to play forward more. Two BIG problem areas under repair.

Pat Bowden may spend some time pushing into holes in the arc (cf Ryan O'Keefe).

So Richo and NGB #1 and #2. Pettifer, Tambling, Jackson (maybe) Tuck, Coughlan and Deledio rolling through marking small positions. G.Stafford playing low and Ray Hall and Simmonds spending some time high near the arc. P.Bowden pushing forward.

Krakouer, Rodan and Foley changing through crumbing roles.

A side with one of the worst forward lines in the game (only two forwards) has fifteen guys to rotate through there this year. It's a vastly improved array from 2005. With a structure not dissimilar to one we've noticed somewhere else.

Looks to me like we've modelled on another team. This setup is a lot like the current Premier's. We've even got the same guy playing CHF- Nobody. And that, as we now know, can't be too bad.
 
i tend to rate players with letters A =elite verygood B= good C = average D = DUD.I read an interesting stat somewhere that a team needs at least 12 a grade players to win a flag.
 
the claw said:
i tend to rate players with letters A =elite verygood B= good C = average D = DUD.I read an interesting stat somewhere that a team needs at least 12 a grade players to win a flag.


I wouldn't say that the Swans had 12 A Grade players though Claw - quite a few would be in your B category though.
 
Dyer'ere said:
ATM I reckon we've got twenty-seven vying for a senior game in Round One.

Chris NEWMAN
Darren GASPAR
Brett DELEDIO
Troy SIMMONDS
Mark CHAFFEY
Nathan G. BROWN
Greg STAFFORD
Joel BOWDEN
Matthew RICHARDSON
Trent KNOBEL
Kayne PETTIFER
Patrick BOWDEN
Kane JOHNSON
David RODAN
Ray HALL
Shane TUCK
Daniel JACKSON
Mark COUGHLAN
Jay SCHULZ
Andrew KRAKOUER
Kane JOHNSON
Richard TAMBLING
Chris HYDE
Greg TIVENDALE
Brent HARTIGAN
Will THURSFIELD
Andrew KELLAWAY
Nathan FOLEY

In addition, JON, Pattison, Meyer and White have all been touted for senior footy this year by members of the coaching panel.

We have a vacancy for a small back-pocket. Raines did nothing at Ballarat and Roach was okay. White looked very inexperienced. Fair enough. He is.

my rateing of  this list 
Chris   NEWMAN     b
Darren   GASPAR    b+
Brett   DELEDIO     b
Troy    SIMMONDS c
Mark   CHAFFEY d
Nathan G. BROWN a+
Greg    STAFFORD c
Joel   BOWDEN b++
Matthew   RICHARDSON a
Trent   KNOBEL   c
Kayne   PETTIFER c+
Patrick   BOWDEN  d
Kane   JOHNSON b+
David   RODAN c-
Ray   HALL c
Shane   TUCK b
Daniel   JACKSON c
Mark   COUGHLAN b++
Jay   SCHULZ c
Andrew   KRAKOUER c
Kane   JOHNSON b++
Richard   TAMBLING c
Chris   HYDE b
Greg    TIVENDALE d
Brent   HARTIGAN c
Will   THURSFIELD c
Andrew   KELLAWAY b
Nathan   FOLEY c
 
Dyer'ere said:
I've quoted Sheedy and Parkin previously on the troublesome CHF slot. The shared view of footy's great philosophers is that if you have nobody to play CHF then that's exactly who you play there- Nobody.

And that's who'll play there for us for most of the year.

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Tambling was used in a marking role on Wednesday. TW is definitely looking to get some Mark Williams (Hawthorn) into his game. And he'd could be really something.

I won't be surprised if Tuck spends a lot more time forward this year. He takes a very nice grab and usually converts. Cogs plays his best non midfield footy forward. A bit like Tuck. And Deledio will still be used in attack. This one can play. With more options in the middle our midfielders get to play forward more. Two BIG problem areas under repair.
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Looks to me like we've modelled on another team. This setup is a lot like the current Premier's. We've even got the same guy playing CHF- Nobody. And that, as we now know, can't be too bad.

Jack,
Again you are probably right and maybe the days of the tall marking CHF as the lynch pin of any successful forward line are numbered especially with the introduction of the new kick in rules which are going to put greater emphasis than ever before on a players speed on the lead into space.

It seems to me that there are already fewer and fewer contested high marking duels in todays game not least of all because so many F/F, not Richo of course, are allowed to push full backs in the back at marking duels without penalty.

Agree about Bling, Cogs and Tuck. Fantastic potential to do well as forwards and our forward line will benefit if they are allowed time there, which will depend on how the midfield manages w/o Tuck and Cogs in particular.

I think you are a bit optimistic about Staff however. Love his mental approach to the game but I don't think his body will allow much of a contribution this year which must surely be his last. 
 
i still argue that the swans, eagles, cats & dogs all played very competitive footy with only 1 tall KPP
we have richo & stafford with pattison coming on - that is more than enough
 
Good thread.  Good work momentai and No.17.

I wouldn't mind betting that JON could make a great BP.  He already has a quality defensive aspect to his game, is super quick with electric agility and can hurt by foot  - which is exactly what you need in a BP.  He would not be wasted there.
 
momentai said:
Jack,
Again you are probably right and maybe the days of the tall marking CHF as the lynch pin of any successful forward line are numbered especially with the introduction of the new kick in rules which are going to put greater emphasis than ever before on a players speed on the lead into space.

It seems to me that there are already fewer and fewer contested high marking duels in todays game not least of all because so many F/F, not Richo of course, are allowed to push full backs in the back at marking duels without penalty.

Agree about Bling, Cogs and Tuck. Fantastic potential to do well as forwards and our forward line will benefit if they are allowed time there, which will depend on how the midfield manages w/o Tuck and Cogs in particular.

I think you are a bit optimistic about Staff however. Love his mental approach to the game but I don't think his body will allow much of a contribution this year which must surely be his last.

Mo', I'm just trying to guess what Wallet is up to. Not necessarily suggest what I'd do. I love this time of year. TW is up to something and I'm trying to work it out remotely.

I, like you, would have thought that Stafford is well and truly G-O-N-E. My take is that Wallet don't reckon so. I guess that he's planning to play him for an average of 60 minutes a game. For the structural and tactical reasons I've outlined above. And for the strategic purpose of spreading the load, particularly OFF Richo and NGB.

That's my hypothesis. We'll get some hard data on this in the next few weeks.

One more rider. As difficult as it is to figure out his current plan from here, there's always the chance he'll change his mind.

If Adam Pattison takes a quantum form leap in 2006 and/or we can't make the finals, Golden's year is going for an early shower. (Golden Staph, that is. ;D)

The thing that's hardest to resolve is the contradiction between what he says and what he does. This isn't hurting Wallet ATM but it can be the end of a senior coach over time. Eg he says, at the end of 2005 that he's going to play Patto at CHF until the season's end but he doesn't do this. He publicly authorises Miller to seek out an experienced, young negative small. Then we rookie Jeremy Humm. (Funny, BP and CHF must be a problem in his mind from those two examples.)

I don't think he was bullshitting on either of these matters. I think he changed his mind. He's worrying it through.

It's really hard to read a coach like Wallace in his first year. We learnt a lot about him in 2005. But some time in 2006, most of us will have a pretty fair understanding of what he's about. I'm mainly guessing. For now.
 
Re: How many afl standard player are on our list

Hayfever said:
the next big thing said:
Joel Bowden
Nathan G. Brown
Mark Coughlan
Darren Gaspar
Andrew Kellaway
Chris Hyde
Kane Johnson
Chris Newman
Matthew Richardson
Shane Tuck  

If you add in Deledio that gives us a core of 11.

Newman, Tuck and Deledio are quality newcomers to the list. Hyde..... still not too sure?

Another 3 or so this year would be very nice.
just wanted to pull this thread up to see how we percieved our team 3 months ago compared to now.
I reckon we could safely put raines,polo,pat bowden,tambling on to that list now.