How to Solve the Draft Problem.

[Tigers of Old]

if hes uncontracted he can nominate for the psd.it aint over till its over.hell

Yeah well he doesn't get much choice in where he goes though does he.
This would be where my exception for free agency comes in.
Not sure of how to police it but I think footballers that have played X no. of games, should have the ability to cash in on their later years if they so desire.

 

[the claw]

Yeah well he doesn't get much choice in where he goes though does he.
This would be where my exception for free agency comes in.
Not sure of how to police it but I think footballers that have played X no. of games, should have the ability to cash in on their later years if they so desire.

i understand where your coming from and agree to a degree.

as for no choice hes what 28 i cant think of a club outside the 8 who would or should take him regardless of who he nominates.
good list management oldie.
his options are alredy limited free agency or not. i can think of just 2 clubs who would chase a 28 yr old hawthorn geelong and geelong would be playing with fire they need to shore up the list with the future in mind.
so that leaves hawthorn. clearly hawthorn are not prepared to give up a first rounder for him under most other models hawthorn would have to do this maybe plus some.

at the end of the day the needs of the clubs far outweigh player greediness players in okeefes position are well compensated to play and do something they love, if he wants to come home fair enoughbut sydney need to be adequately compensated for giving him up this fact seems to be irrelevant when free agency is talked about.

 

[Tigers of Old]

at the end of the day the needs of the clubs far outweigh player greediness players in okeefes position are well compensated to play and do something they love, if he wants to come home fair enoughbut sydney need to be adequately compensated for giving him up this fact seems to be irrelevant when free agency is talked about.

Well made points.

 

[IanG]

at the end of the day the needs of the clubs far outweigh player greediness players in okeefes position are well compensated to play and do something they love, if he wants to come home fair enoughbut sydney need to be adequately compensated for giving him up this fact seems to be irrelevant when free agency is talked about.

I take it you haven't looked at the other thread where that point has actually been brought up.

And Carlton are also looking at O'Keefe not Hawthorn or Geelong.

 

[Al Bundy]

Yeah well he doesn't get much choice in where he goes though does he.
This would be where my exception for free agency comes in.
Not sure of how to police it but I think footballers that have played X no. of games, should have the ability to cash in on their later years if they so desire.

didn't that work for the Nth Melbourne in the 70's whereby they bought a team of veterans from other clubs, spalshed the cash.

They won a few flags then as well !!!

I am against free agency as the imblance between clubs will become huge.

 

[Tigers of Old]

didn't that work for the Nth Melbourne in the 70's whereby they bought a team of veterans from other clubs, spalshed the cash.

They won a few flags then as well !!!

I am against free agency as the imblance between clubs will become huge.

Salary cap.

 

[Streak]

Or just not have a trade period at all (or a PSD) and just send everyone, delistees, uncontracted players and players who want out, into the National Draft. Think up a bidding system or something for them in the Draft.

This has some merit. A system like the waivers used in MLB could work here.

 

[Rexxy]

the perfect situation would be for the afl to expand the squad number. 42 would be perfect plus the rookies and vets but the rookie number should be reduced to 2. so 4 in total including the veterans making it 46 including the main squad. thats 4 more then the current squad size.

by having the 4 more and increasing the salary cap a few percent that allows clubs to be more involved during week. they would be happier trading (and trading for) older players and taking a risk while at the same time being able to invest in youth and be suring up the future. and finally clubs can participate in the last couple of rounds of the draft. the afl would probably have to prop a couple of teams up but that doesn't matter coz they always are anyway.

the current draft system is ok but they really need to have a system where teams can delist and sign players during the season up until say round 16. there would need to be some kind of pool of uncontracted players that are basically a free player for any club that wants him. very short term contracts would be the go.

 

[Motown]

i understand where your coming from and agree to a degree.

as for no choice hes what 28 i cant think of a club outside the 8 who would or should take him regardless of who he nominates.
good list management oldie.
his options are alredy limited free agency or not.

It's not just about O'Keefe, though. He's just representative of how the system is failing.

at the end of the day the needs of the clubs far outweigh player greediness

Only to a point. There is middle ground between players doing as they wish and being treated as property.

I'm not sure the bulk of supporters will see it, though, as we're too invested in our club and its prospects. We think players should be as blinkered and fanatical as us. That they should do what's in the best interests of the club because that's all that matters, whether that means staying on our lists just as depth or going across country in exchange for draft picks. If they leave when we don't want them to they're Judas, if they ask for a better contract, they're greedy bastards. They should just be happy to play for the jumper, unless of course we don't want them, in which case clubs should be able to tear up the contract and delist the hack. We're the worst people to consult when it comes to the interests of the players.

players in okeefes position are well compensated to play and do something they love, if he wants to come home fair enoughbut sydney need to be adequately compensated for giving him up this fact seems to be irrelevant when free agency is talked about.

I don't buy this "compensation" business beyond the first few years of a player's career. Being drafted does not confer ownership to the club. It confers the opportunity to have first use of a player's services. Yes, if a player moves soon after being drafted and before a club has got any value out of the pick, then there should be compensation. That's why there'll be a qualifying period in any form of FA and maybe pick compensation if some form of restricted FA comes in.

 

[Baloo]

I'm not sure the bulk of supporters will see it, though, as we're too invested in our club and its prospects. We think players should be as blinkered and fanatical as us. That they should do what's in the best interests of the club because that's all that matters, whether that means staying on our lists just as depth or going across country in exchange for draft picks. If they leave when we don't want them to they're Judas, if they ask for a better contract, they're greedy bastards. They should just be happy to play for the jumper, unless of course we don't want them, in which case clubs should be able to tear up the contract and delist the hack. We're the worst people to consult when it comes to the interests of the players.

Yeah, very well said.

 

[Tigers of Old]

if hes uncontracted he can nominate for the psd.it aint over till its over.hell he could nominate for the nd that would test out clubs hanging onto early picks would also testy out how bad hawthorn want him.

O'Keefe stays with Sydney rather than choose the PSD.

 

[Streak]

It is going to be very interesting to see how the WAFL system of points is going to go next season.

For those who don't know, the WAFL for some years has had a salary cap. But it is clear that it is being badly rorted and is not working, to the point that it is a joke. So they have decided to allocate players "points" based on how good they are and what they have accomplished. Teams will then get a points cap rather than a salary cap. I am not enitrely sure if the points system relates to the entire senior list, or just to the team selected each week.

Promises to be very interesting regardless.