How would you rate Terry's first two years at Tigerland?

[Tigers of Old]

2. yet to fully believe he is the man to get us there.

I'm a huge fan of Wallace, huge fan.
However the guy's not infallible nor immune to criticism.

Yes he's done some great things in the first two years but he had to and he's paid very well to do so.
Where did we have to go after the Spud fiasco? Realistically the only way was up.
Wallace has had a honeymoon period the last two seasons and Tiger supporters have cut him more slack than any other coach in the last 25 years.
He has made solid progress but whether he's genuinely turning us into the premiership force that we all hope, will truly be determined in the next two seasons, not the first two.
Time will tell but the way some are carrying on you'd think we were playing finals and a lay down misere for premiership glory over the next few years.
Terry has got plenty of work and improvement in his coaching ahead in order to make that happen.
He's not perfect or the messiah and we all have to realise that.
However he's the most likely we've had in some time. 8)

 

[Tubytiger]

2. yet to fully believe he is the man to get us there.

I'm a huge fan of Wallace, huge fan.
However the guy's not infallible nor immune to criticism.

Yes he's done some great things in the first two years but he had to and he's paid very well to do so.
Where did we have to go after the Spud fiasco? Realistically the only way was up.
Wallace has had a honeymoon period the last two seasons and Tiger supporters have cut him more slack than any other coach in the last 25 years.
He has made solid progress but whether he's genuinely turning us into the premiership force that we all hope, will truly be determined in the next two seasons, not the first two.
Time will tell but the way some are carrying on you'd think we were playing finals and a lay down misere for premiership glory over the next few years.
Terry has got plenty of work and improvement in his coaching ahead in order to make that happen.
He's not perfect or the messiah and we all have to realise that.
However he's the most likely we've had in some time. 8)

Get out of here ToO - bloody too logical posting buddy But seriously agree with that sinopsis.

 

[Ian4]

yeah good post TOO. interesting point about the "honeymoon period." obviously 99% of supporters (ferals included) have put all their faith and support behind terry. it's so good to see everyone united for once ;D

 

[RoarEmotion]

The key question for me, is could any other coach have done a better job than TW in his time there? Personally I don't think anyone else could have got much further with the list we had and we seemed to have drafted pretty wisely - though note the concern around KPP.

Agree with comments around the "honeymoon" period - although TW has done a fantastic job of communicating to the whole membership base as to where we are going and what to expect along the way.

For anyone with access to Foxtel and WLF, then you get to almost have a chat with him every Wednesday. He is a straight shooter and calls it like it is, without beating around the bush. Culture wise, as has been mentioned, these big losses would have destroyed us for the next 2 months of football. Clearly he has the minds of his players.

For me 9/10 - with the -1 for some of the gamestyle this year.

Proof or otherwise will come when the like of Lids and his "classmates" have another 40 games under their belts and the bulk of our team is in the 50-100 game experience bracket.

 

[blaisee]

the best thing about tw is that he has a plan and he will stick to it.

The only major stuff up he made this year was to not play Polo on Buddy vs the hawks. It cost us the game and ultimately a place in the finals


good coach but an even better salesman.

Hopefully greg miller can keep getting him the right cattle, and the gods start smiling on us regarding injuries

a solid 8/10

 

[JR8]

I'd rather wait to see what happens in the final 3 weeks of this season and who we pick up in the draft before rating season 2006.

2005 - 7.5/10 We were a complete rabble when he took over (had lost 14 in a row) and got us playing some entertaining football.

2006 - ? See above comment.


BTW if Wallace listened to claws suggestions and played "more kids" I reckon we could have seen 5-6 100pnt thrashings. : :

 

[nitrotiger]

Reply to TigersOfOld.......
Quote 1......
Time will tell but the way some are carrying on,youd think we were playing finals and are a lay down misere for the premiership within the next 2 years.....


I know ToO,Im guilty as charged....I do insist that I class myself as a "realistic optimist"
Quote 2......
"terry has got plenty of work and improvement in his coaching ahead in order to make that happen.
He,s not perfect or the messiah and we all have to realise that"

took the words right outta my mouth ToO.Been beating that drum for a while now.....
I know terry,s not the messiah,I AM....Bugger me its  bloody hard yakka mate,I need a spell...Crivens.....
TigerofOld, I dont ask many people this,but would you wear the messiah hat while i get some much-needed R and R?Please? ;D :hihi :hihi :hihi

 

[the claw]

I'd rather wait to see what happens in the final 3 weeks of this season and who we pick up in the draft before rating season 2006.

2005  -   7.5/10  We were a complete rabble when he took over (had lost 14 in a row) and got us playing some entertaining football.

2006  -   ?    See above comment.


BTW if Wallace listened to claws suggestions and played "more kids" I reckon we could have seen 5-6 100pnt thrashings.  : :

so in effect you blame our youngsters for those hidings let me tell ya the blame lies squarely at the senior players feet. i have always said its better to play kids in front of players who are clearly never going to be good enough to take the club where it wants to go regardless of results.
do we blame the kids for hidings last yr or the yr before that or 4 yrs ago no you blame the very same players who led the team to the same sort of defeats this yr.
i for one am sick to death of waiting for the club to make some tough decisions on players at the club.you people can go ahead and kid yourselves that all is right me ill continue to do what ive been doing and thats bag the crap out of underachieving duds who are taking this club nowhere.

 

[tigersnake]

I agree on this one craw.  We'd disagree on which senior players, and agree on some as well.  But I agree that you can put those floggings down to some senior players 100%

I should also say though that I reckon as many hard decisions as were possible have been made. Maybe 1 or 2 more could have been, but heaps were made and I can see the reasoning behind what happened, even if I didn't agree with every single micro decision.

 

[nitrotiger]

Crivens!
Mary,Jesus and St Joseph!
Gloria In excelsius deo and keep me on earth please!

I thought the main reason for our 100 plus point floggings was in no small way due to the opposition at the time....... :-X :-\ sorry,thought id just mention em..its my lateral thinking........ :-X

 

[Ian4]

yes i agree that our senior players are the ones who let us down when we get flogged. but i'm expecting to see the back of the 100 pt floggings from now on. the next time richmond is involved in a 100 pt flogging, we'll be the ones handing it out :clap

 

[nwonash]

I rate Wallace as the best coach we've had since Ton Hafey.

Lets face it, when Wallace came to Richmond, the club was in turmoil. Dudley Frawley had destroyed the playing list and failed to give young players a fair go.

Wallace culled the playing list, recruited new coaching staff, recruited young players and assisted in their development.

Look at Pettifer. He was an underachiever under Frawley. Wallace and co. turned Pettifer around and showed this kid can play. Having 3 players this year obtain NAB Rising Star Nominations just proves that Wallace and co have done an excellent job in pursisting the young players and develop them.

Sure, we lost 3 games by 100 points, but look at the next weeks effort. Beating Adelaide, Collingwood, Geelong (at Geelong) were achievements on their own. Lets not forget beating Port Adelaide for the first time ever in Adelaide and beating Brisbane in Brisbane the past 2 yrs has been a terrific achievement. Wallace has given the players a self belief and the club is certainly knitting a strong team for future years.

We've had some serious injuries to key players which some people have forgotten.

Wallace has brought in professionalism to the club and I expect we will future in next years finals.

The club is in its best state since 1980.

I rate Wallaces performance as Excellent so far.

 

[the claw]

I agree on this one craw.  We'd disagree on which senior players, and agree on some as well.  But I agree that you can put those floggings down to some senior players 100%

I should also say though that I reckon as many hard decisions as were possible have been made.  Maybe 1 or 2 more could have been, but heaps were made and I can see the reasoning behind what happened, even if I didn't agree with every single micro decision.

what tough decisions snakeseyes.in his 2 seasons wallace has delisted blumfield fleming fletcher houlihan marsh nicholls weller and zantuck in 2004.they were all obvious omissions and something any coach worth 2 bob would have done.he traded ottens and fiora. some might say and i would agree tradeing ottens was a tough decision.and kellaway and rogers retired.
in 2005 he delisted archibald gilmore hilton and morrison again i ask what tough decisions and why so few. campbell and graham retired.
the way i see it hes made one tough call concerning the list i wonder if hes got the guts to make some long over due tough decisions at yrs end.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I agree on this one craw. We'd disagree on which senior players, and agree on some as well. But I agree that you can put those floggings down to some senior players 100%

I should also say though that I reckon as many hard decisions as were possible have been made. Maybe 1 or 2 more could have been, but heaps were made and I can see the reasoning behind what happened, even if I didn't agree with every single micro decision.

what tough decisions snakeseyes.in his 2 seasons wallace has delisted blumfield fleming fletcher houlihan marsh nicholls weller and zantuck in 2004.they were all obvious omissions and something any coach worth 2 bob would have done.he traded ottens and fiora. some might say and i would agree tradeing ottens was a tough decision.and kellaway and rogers retired.
in 2005 he delisted archibald gilmore hilton and morrison again i ask what tough decisions and why so few. campbell and graham retired.
the way i see it hes made one tough call concerning the list i wonder if hes got the guts to make some long over due tough decisions at yrs end.

Agree Claw.
Despite Ottens (a great move but did BO leave us?) Terry is yet to make the hard decisions required re the playing list.
Tough love needed at the end of 06.