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I am a little worried about Hardwick..

Given the majority of "observers" have now resorted to name calling and not discussing the issue, I will refrain and take my victory
 
flogger said:
Given the majority of "observers" have now resorted to name calling and not discussing the issue, I will refrain and take my victory

Victory what Victory??
Come off it Terry give it a rest ::) ::)
 
tiger12 said:
We've discussed this on another thread. Big body? Strong marking? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Who in our forward line is a bigger body and stronger marking ? And if you're just going to reply with laughing icons, don't bother.
 
Baloo said:
Who in our forward line is a bigger body and stronger marking ? And if you're just going to reply with laughing icons, don't bother.

Fair question.

Previously I called Polak soft and weak with reference to a man of his size not having the physical impact on games that he should. He does not hit the marking pack with the ferocity a man of his size should. The opposite to him would be a Jonathan Brown - for mine (and everyone else who follows footy) hard and strong. The apologists on this site wrongly accused me of questioning his courage. Can anyone please show me where I have questioned his courage? For the record, I believe anyone who runs onto an AFL ground and competes at the top level is courageous, that includes Polak.

Back to your question. I would sooner use Reiwoldt and Post across HF, Vickery and Griffiths across FF, and compliment the talls with Nahas, Morton, Taylor, Astbury, etc. 2010 is not about winning games, it's more about development. We're going nowhere with the Polak's of this world.

Vickery was recruited as a ruckman. Until such time as his body is ready to handle the 1st ruck duties, I think he would be a good option as FF. Griffiths might not be ready yet, however, I would sooner blood him than waste my time with Polak. Post looked out of sort in defence against the Hawks. I think CHF is his spot.
 
tiger12 said:
We're going nowhere with the Polak's of this world.

Settle down, and who said that Polak was our answer up forward?

This rebuild will take time, our recruits will develop in & out Richmond/Coburg, until that happens we will persevere regardless whether Tom, *smile* or Flogger don't like it.

Don't judge one *smiling* position, judge the coach from about 18 months in and make your assesments. ;D
 
Agree it's about development. So let the likes of Vicks, Grifs and Post go up against the Number 2 or 3 defenders of this World with Polak pulling the main defender. That's better for their development.

It's been 2 practice matches and he's coming from a long way back. Polak was one of the leagues best contested marks before his accident. If he can get back to close that, or at least to the point where he challenges every high ball with a view to getting it to ground, then he's doing a job.

Polak isn't, at this stage, our answer to a premiership winning big forward, but he's a pretty good answer for this year where we'd be wise to give the young talls some breathing space.

As for him not contesting, other than by name, by nature, most reports have Polak playing a serviceable role over the weekend. That's all we need from him this year, to be serviceable while our young talls get some experience and time to develop their bodies..
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
Don't judge one *smiling* position, judge the coach from about 18 months in and make your assesments. ;D

Where are you coming from Rainesy? Where have I said anything about the coach? I am more than happy with Hardwick at the helm.
 
Baloo said:
Agree it's about development. So let the likes of Vicks, Grifs and Post go up against the Number 2 or 3 defenders of this World with Polak pulling the main defender. That's better for their development.

It's been 2 practice matches and he's coming from a long way back. Polak was one of the leagues best contested marks before his accident. If he can get back to close that, or at least to the point where he challenges every high ball with a view to getting it to ground, then he's doing a job.

Polak isn't, at this stage, our answer to a premiership winning big forward, but he's a pretty good answer for this year where we'd be wise to give the young talls some breathing space.

As for him not contesting, other than by name, by nature, most reports have Polak playing a serviceable role over the weekend. That's all we need from him this year, to be serviceable while our young talls get some experience and time to develop their bodies..

I can see where you're coming from,and there is merit in what you say, but you and I won't agree on Polak and thats fine.

If I were the opposition coach I wouldn't be playing my best defender on Polak. Now that sends dual messages, because if there is no other forward worthy of the oppositions best defender, then imo, we're buggered.
 
Baloo said:
This season ? Yeah, we're buggered.

I'm not entirely convinced. We're a long way off but I think we'll surprise a few. We've waited this long, a few more years won't upset the sentence......
 
tiger12 said:
Where are you coming from Rainesy? Where have I said anything about the coach? I am more than happy with Hardwick at the helm.

Read my signature below.

Hardwick will not stand for having passengers in his team. If Polak is praised by the coach in the media then he is happy but that doesn't mean he will not pull him aside and tell him what he is doing wrong.

Maybe Hardwick's gameplan in the short term is not about using big abled bodies to smash the packs? Maybe that will come in time once we DEVELOP those sort of players. Like I said Polak is not our answer up forward in the short term.
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
Read my signature below.

Hardwick will not stand for having passengers in his team. If Polak is praised by the coach in the media then he is happy but that doesn't mean he will not pull him aside and tell him what he is doing wrong.

Maybe Hardwick's gameplan in the short term is not about using big abled bodies to smash the packs? Maybe that will come in time once we DEVELOP those sort of players. Like I said Polak is not our answer up forward in the short term.

Yeah, and I like what I read. But you suggested I assess him in 18 months time inferring I am critical of the man - which is furthest from the truth.
 
tiger12 said:
Yeah, and I like what I read. But you suggested I assess him in 18 months time inferring I am critical of the man - which is furthest from the truth.

If Polak is in the team Round 1 then Hardwick is happy with him and you will be wrong, if Polak doesn't make the cut, pending injury, then I'll take my hat off to you.
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
If Polak is in the team Round 1 then Hardwick is happy with him and you will be wrong, if Polak doesn't make the cut, pending injury, then I'll take my hat off to you.

I think you're suggesting 1 + 1 = 3. Go back and read the thread.
 
tiger12 said:
I think you're suggesting 1 + 1 = 3. Go back and read the thread.

I know what you are suggesting, you are prematurely jumping the gun by using players that are not developed yet to withstand the rigours of being smashed week in week out, eg. Post, Griffiths, & Vickery.

Don't count your chickens until they have hatched and let the coach path the way.

As for the Post, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
I know what you are suggesting, you are prematurely jumping the gun by using players that are not developed yet to withstand the rigours of being smashed week in week out, eg. Post, Griffiths, & Vickery.

Don't count your chickens until they have hatched and let the coach path the way.

As for the Post, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Look. If the coach considers Polak good enough to be elevated to the senior list and plays him round 1, then well and good. I have faith in Hardwick and his approach to the task. I am merely voicing MY OPINION as to the merits of Polak being in the senior team. If I had a direct line to Dimma's ear I wouldn't be stopping at Polak just quietly. However, I know he can only work with what he's got right now and I respect his judgement, I have not said anything to the contrary.
 
:hihi Here we are discussing Polak and he hasn't been elevated yet. I now it's your opinion and it does have merit and I agree with it in the long term. We both support Hardwick and I have a feeling we have more faith in him than we did with his predecessor.

Care to share who else is your sights that you ain't happy with at the moment?
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
Care to share who else is your sights that you ain't happy with at the moment?

McGuane, Moore, McMahon, Hislop, Thomson, White. King probably (I know I'll get shot down but so be it), but I like his agression. The other that's copped some stick is Rance, but I think he's worth persisting with. Might have missed a few. As far as McGuane and Moore go, I know they are a requirement whilst we rebuild, but I really can't see us going anywhere with those 2.
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
If Polak is in the team Round 1 then Hardwick is happy with him and you will be wrong, if Polak doesn't make the cut, pending injury, then I'll take my hat off to you.

And flogger will zip his pants back up.