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i am cranky about the coburg cricket club being shafted
- Thread starter broderick
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Raw deal? What's wrong with moving grounds? They have
an opportunity to actualy improve their lot in Moreland!
I've actually been to the odd council meeting on this
topic. But to preface things - yes I'm biased, I think
football involves more people, and includes more of
the local 'community' than does cricket. I've been
to many football games at Coburg City Oval. There
are often well over a thousand people there. During
summer, I watch the Cricket from the Coburg Leisure
Centre - and guess what? There's not an awful lot
of people involved - mainly just the players!
More people enjoy the football than the cricket there.
There are council recommendations from rate payer
funded studies that say that cricket and football should
move to separate grounds (football at Coburg City Oval
obviously).
Frankly, I was quite symathetic towards the Cricket Club
until all these bloody 'outsiders' started bleeting on about it.
I mean people like that Haige going right over the top - does
he live in Coburg? - no he doesn't. Others writing absolute
crap in the local papers about it really being an AFL takeover
of the ground, how it's just Richmond wanting a 'freebie' etc
etc. All about how VFL footy isn't community based and
stuff like that. It's wild fantasy stuff.
At VFL footy - kids get in for free, you can go into the
'rooms' basically whenever you like (within reason) the
players are accessible - you can go on the ground for
a kick and it's a whole lot cheaper for the standard of
footy played than AFL.
The facts are that a whole lot more people stand to benefit
from 'football' as proposed for the ground than the few
(and I mean FEW) people that use the ground for cricket.
Bringing in several thousand people per week into the local
shopping centre (not every week, but for some of them)
will be a real boon for the local traders. On top of that,
the ground will be available to whoever wants to use it (pay)
for football training - not just Richmond and Essendon who
have supported the idea. The proposal also includes using
the facilities for community groups.
I fail to see how the Cricket club moving to say the old
Brunswick Oval, which has a turf wicket, and 'rooms' and
social areas etc would be a big problem for them.
The Cricket Club are trying to say that their moving will cause
all this woe and spewing etc, if the football club ceases to
exist, then thousands of people in the region will be
disenfranchised. A lot more than a mere move of the Cricket
Club. Their rejection of some proposed grounds to move to
has been along the lines of 'Are you serious?' but no actual
substance to the objections.
Whilst I don't particularly agree with some of the approach
taken in this matter by the football club, the Cricket Club
have lost me on this one.
an opportunity to actualy improve their lot in Moreland!
I've actually been to the odd council meeting on this
topic. But to preface things - yes I'm biased, I think
football involves more people, and includes more of
the local 'community' than does cricket. I've been
to many football games at Coburg City Oval. There
are often well over a thousand people there. During
summer, I watch the Cricket from the Coburg Leisure
Centre - and guess what? There's not an awful lot
of people involved - mainly just the players!
More people enjoy the football than the cricket there.
There are council recommendations from rate payer
funded studies that say that cricket and football should
move to separate grounds (football at Coburg City Oval
obviously).
Frankly, I was quite symathetic towards the Cricket Club
until all these bloody 'outsiders' started bleeting on about it.
I mean people like that Haige going right over the top - does
he live in Coburg? - no he doesn't. Others writing absolute
crap in the local papers about it really being an AFL takeover
of the ground, how it's just Richmond wanting a 'freebie' etc
etc. All about how VFL footy isn't community based and
stuff like that. It's wild fantasy stuff.
At VFL footy - kids get in for free, you can go into the
'rooms' basically whenever you like (within reason) the
players are accessible - you can go on the ground for
a kick and it's a whole lot cheaper for the standard of
footy played than AFL.
The facts are that a whole lot more people stand to benefit
from 'football' as proposed for the ground than the few
(and I mean FEW) people that use the ground for cricket.
Bringing in several thousand people per week into the local
shopping centre (not every week, but for some of them)
will be a real boon for the local traders. On top of that,
the ground will be available to whoever wants to use it (pay)
for football training - not just Richmond and Essendon who
have supported the idea. The proposal also includes using
the facilities for community groups.
I fail to see how the Cricket club moving to say the old
Brunswick Oval, which has a turf wicket, and 'rooms' and
social areas etc would be a big problem for them.
The Cricket Club are trying to say that their moving will cause
all this woe and spewing etc, if the football club ceases to
exist, then thousands of people in the region will be
disenfranchised. A lot more than a mere move of the Cricket
Club. Their rejection of some proposed grounds to move to
has been along the lines of 'Are you serious?' but no actual
substance to the objections.
Whilst I don't particularly agree with some of the approach
taken in this matter by the football club, the Cricket Club
have lost me on this one.
Crikey, Cricket being shafted by football , that makes a change! I am very keen to see football being played on football grounds.....instead of Cricket living off football as it has done for the last one hundred years. I still puke at the grossly misnamed M.C.G.
Still I dont know very much about what is supposedly happening to the cricket club....and would genuinely oppose an injustice if I thought it was happening....so enlighten me on this if you have the time.
Still I dont know very much about what is supposedly happening to the cricket club....and would genuinely oppose an injustice if I thought it was happening....so enlighten me on this if you have the time.
It's more than a game ;D
The flow on effects of a dedicated football facility would be
huge.
Another snippet of information: (just rumour that I've overheard)
The Cricket Club apparently claim that they don't use ANY other
amenities at the ground. They supposidly only use the ground itself
and the training nets.
Therefore, the rest of the amenities at the ground go to complete and
utter waste for 7 months of the year.
If this is indeed the case - that the Cricket Club don't actually use
anything else at the ground - then all that needs to be provided for
the Cricket Club is a turfed wicket ground and some training nets.
There are apparently lots of such facilities within Moreland - more
than any other municipality in Melbourne.
The Cricket Club should be trying to leverage some added benefit from
all this - they should be chuffed at the opportunity to set up
a 'Cricket Centre of Excellence' within Moreland.
As for 'history', well the Coburg FC has just as an extensive history within
the region.
A lot of the 'outsiders' have really tried to turn this into a football vs
cricket fight - particulalry the AFL and RFC vs cricket. It's much more
than that, but a lot of people are being sucked in by the retoric.
The flow on effects of a dedicated football facility would be
huge.
Another snippet of information: (just rumour that I've overheard)
The Cricket Club apparently claim that they don't use ANY other
amenities at the ground. They supposidly only use the ground itself
and the training nets.
Therefore, the rest of the amenities at the ground go to complete and
utter waste for 7 months of the year.
If this is indeed the case - that the Cricket Club don't actually use
anything else at the ground - then all that needs to be provided for
the Cricket Club is a turfed wicket ground and some training nets.
There are apparently lots of such facilities within Moreland - more
than any other municipality in Melbourne.
The Cricket Club should be trying to leverage some added benefit from
all this - they should be chuffed at the opportunity to set up
a 'Cricket Centre of Excellence' within Moreland.
As for 'history', well the Coburg FC has just as an extensive history within
the region.
A lot of the 'outsiders' have really tried to turn this into a football vs
cricket fight - particulalry the AFL and RFC vs cricket. It's much more
than that, but a lot of people are being sucked in by the retoric.
David C said:
It's basically a deal where the council will look further into
the issues. I'll post a link tomorrow when I can easily look
it up. (Home on a slow modem at the moment - it's a pain!)
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David C said:Jeez, you can get 256/64 1GB ADSL for $25 a month, why put up with a "slow modem" any more?
Because it's absolutely free to me!
Here's a link:
http://www.moreland.vic.gov.au/news/1consultationpublicnotices-fr.htm
Select 'MEDIA RELEASES'.
http://www.moreland.vic.gov.au/news/1consultationpublicnotices-fr.htm
Select 'MEDIA RELEASES'.
Local paper article
From the Moreland Community News (24th Aug 2004)
Battle goes to time on
by Dinah Arndt.
AFTER being dogged by dirty politics, the battle between
the Coburg Cricket and Football clubs over their home
ground may reach an amicable, though temporary, solution.
The issue blew up in July after the football club said the
only way to save itself from financial ruin was to make
Coburg City Oval a football only venue - effectively
kicking the cricket club off the ground.
A redevelopment of the oval (necessary after a fire ruined
the grandstand in March) provided this opportunity.
Over the past two months both sides have been intensely
lobbying Moreland Council to support their club. Allegations
about the behaviour of some club officials and councillors
were made made (sic) and the oval was vandalised.
(see: http://puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8668.0)
However, at the time Community News went to print, it was
likely the tense relationship between the two clubs - who
have shared the oval for 80 years - would reach a temporary
stalemate.
Both sides expressed support for council recommendations that
were expected to be adopted yesterday.
Council staff have recommended that Moreland: start designing
a new grandstand; establish a working party to investigate
ground allocation and funding; go ahead with minor
redevelopment works; and waive the football clubs fees for
two financial years.
Football club president Dean Mighell described it as "a very
good proposal".
Cricket Club president Shayne Rule said he hoped it would
"take the heat out of the situation", so that a level-headed
decision could be ade at a later date.
They were also due to sign a memorandum of understanding
at the council yesterday afternoon.
However, the decision about who will get the ground is
effectively being deferred to the new Moreland Council
to be elected in November.
It is clear that whatever the final decision, no one will
walk away from the process completely happy.
All parties have expressed disappointment about the dirty
politics which have plagued the process.
As one councillor put it: "This has left a very bad taste
in my mouth."
Last week, Community News reported Cr Steve Roach had
attempted to secure Sewell Reserve as an alternative ground
for the Coburg Cricket Club.
This would mean the Broadmeadows Cricket Club would need to
share the ground, amalgamate or relocate.
BCC persident Bruce Gardner said the most palatable of
those options would be to relocate to a ground in Hume.
However, he added: "if this was an option, on a scale of
10 it'd be a three, but there isn't an option."
Cricket Victoria rejected the notion it had been unhelpful
in trying to find a solution with Cr Roach.
CV regional manager Gary Sanders said the CEO was unavailable
to attend a meeting at such short notice.
"We're doing everything possible from Cricket Victoria's
point of view."
Mr Rule said the Glenroy ground was not a suitable option.
Cr Roach admitted there were "a lot of ifs" to this proposal,
but added he was the only councillor examining all the
options.
* Cr Steve Roach tried to organise a meeting with Cricket
Victoria officials, not Coburg Cricket Association
officials, as was printed last week.
From the Moreland Community News (24th Aug 2004)
Battle goes to time on
by Dinah Arndt.
AFTER being dogged by dirty politics, the battle between
the Coburg Cricket and Football clubs over their home
ground may reach an amicable, though temporary, solution.
The issue blew up in July after the football club said the
only way to save itself from financial ruin was to make
Coburg City Oval a football only venue - effectively
kicking the cricket club off the ground.
A redevelopment of the oval (necessary after a fire ruined
the grandstand in March) provided this opportunity.
Over the past two months both sides have been intensely
lobbying Moreland Council to support their club. Allegations
about the behaviour of some club officials and councillors
were made made (sic) and the oval was vandalised.
(see: http://puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8668.0)
However, at the time Community News went to print, it was
likely the tense relationship between the two clubs - who
have shared the oval for 80 years - would reach a temporary
stalemate.
Both sides expressed support for council recommendations that
were expected to be adopted yesterday.
Council staff have recommended that Moreland: start designing
a new grandstand; establish a working party to investigate
ground allocation and funding; go ahead with minor
redevelopment works; and waive the football clubs fees for
two financial years.
Football club president Dean Mighell described it as "a very
good proposal".
Cricket Club president Shayne Rule said he hoped it would
"take the heat out of the situation", so that a level-headed
decision could be ade at a later date.
They were also due to sign a memorandum of understanding
at the council yesterday afternoon.
However, the decision about who will get the ground is
effectively being deferred to the new Moreland Council
to be elected in November.
It is clear that whatever the final decision, no one will
walk away from the process completely happy.
All parties have expressed disappointment about the dirty
politics which have plagued the process.
As one councillor put it: "This has left a very bad taste
in my mouth."
Last week, Community News reported Cr Steve Roach had
attempted to secure Sewell Reserve as an alternative ground
for the Coburg Cricket Club.
This would mean the Broadmeadows Cricket Club would need to
share the ground, amalgamate or relocate.
BCC persident Bruce Gardner said the most palatable of
those options would be to relocate to a ground in Hume.
However, he added: "if this was an option, on a scale of
10 it'd be a three, but there isn't an option."
Cricket Victoria rejected the notion it had been unhelpful
in trying to find a solution with Cr Roach.
CV regional manager Gary Sanders said the CEO was unavailable
to attend a meeting at such short notice.
"We're doing everything possible from Cricket Victoria's
point of view."
Mr Rule said the Glenroy ground was not a suitable option.
Cr Roach admitted there were "a lot of ifs" to this proposal,
but added he was the only councillor examining all the
options.
* Cr Steve Roach tried to organise a meeting with Cricket
Victoria officials, not Coburg Cricket Association
officials, as was printed last week.
Another local paper article.
From the Moreland Leader (23 Aug 2004)
D-Day nigh for sports clubs.
Tigers will fold if cricket tenants stay.
By Kate Kyriacou
THE fate of Moreland's major sporting communities was expected
to be decided at a private Labor Party meeting held yesterday.
The Coburg Tigers Football Club is on the brink of financial
collapse unless it can secure a major cash injection.
The club has been promised a financial windfall, but only if
it can provide a cricket-free City Oval for AFL clubs to use
during the summer months.
The ground's owner, Moreland Council, has been left with the
decision to evict its cricket tenants or see the Tigers fold.
Cr Steve Roach said the matter would go before tonight's
meeting - the last before council enters caretaker mode in the
lead up to the election.
But he said it was likely a decsion would have already been
made.
"It will be discussed at the Labor caucus meeting on Sunday,"
he said.
"And I will be vehemently putting forward whatever it takes
to ensure the continued operation of the Coburg Football Club
in the future.
"If the majority of councillors don't agree, it would be
criminal negligence on the council's behalf.
"The footy clib is the only accessible route for young kids
in this area to get to the AFL."
Cr Roach aid the Labor councillors in Moreland would come
to a conclusion on Sunday prior to the Monday meeting.
Cr Roach said his efforts to find a solution for both clubs
had met a series of dead ends.
"I wanted to have a talk with the Boradmeadows Cricket Club
about amalgamating with Coburg," he said.
"They flat out refused. And I'm not very happy with Cricket
Victoria. I had a meeting scheduled with them for Monday
to talk about the problem but they rang me up three hours
before and cancelled.
"It just seems to be that some of the people tied up with
cricket are just not interested in playing cricket over
the issue."
But he said representatives of the Coburg Cricket Club had
been very co-operative.
"I commend them. They seem to be a little more level-headed
than some of their supporters."
Cr Robert Larocca would not confirm that the matter would
be decided at the Labor caucus on Sunday.
"That may or may not be the case," he said.
"This is not a simple decision involving millions of dollars.
"The future of two local sporting organisations is at risk
here. This will affect well over 500 local residents.
From the Moreland Leader (23 Aug 2004)
D-Day nigh for sports clubs.
Tigers will fold if cricket tenants stay.
By Kate Kyriacou
THE fate of Moreland's major sporting communities was expected
to be decided at a private Labor Party meeting held yesterday.
The Coburg Tigers Football Club is on the brink of financial
collapse unless it can secure a major cash injection.
The club has been promised a financial windfall, but only if
it can provide a cricket-free City Oval for AFL clubs to use
during the summer months.
The ground's owner, Moreland Council, has been left with the
decision to evict its cricket tenants or see the Tigers fold.
Cr Steve Roach said the matter would go before tonight's
meeting - the last before council enters caretaker mode in the
lead up to the election.
But he said it was likely a decsion would have already been
made.
"It will be discussed at the Labor caucus meeting on Sunday,"
he said.
"And I will be vehemently putting forward whatever it takes
to ensure the continued operation of the Coburg Football Club
in the future.
"If the majority of councillors don't agree, it would be
criminal negligence on the council's behalf.
"The footy clib is the only accessible route for young kids
in this area to get to the AFL."
Cr Roach aid the Labor councillors in Moreland would come
to a conclusion on Sunday prior to the Monday meeting.
Cr Roach said his efforts to find a solution for both clubs
had met a series of dead ends.
"I wanted to have a talk with the Boradmeadows Cricket Club
about amalgamating with Coburg," he said.
"They flat out refused. And I'm not very happy with Cricket
Victoria. I had a meeting scheduled with them for Monday
to talk about the problem but they rang me up three hours
before and cancelled.
"It just seems to be that some of the people tied up with
cricket are just not interested in playing cricket over
the issue."
But he said representatives of the Coburg Cricket Club had
been very co-operative.
"I commend them. They seem to be a little more level-headed
than some of their supporters."
Cr Robert Larocca would not confirm that the matter would
be decided at the Labor caucus on Sunday.
"That may or may not be the case," he said.
"This is not a simple decision involving millions of dollars.
"The future of two local sporting organisations is at risk
here. This will affect well over 500 local residents.
