I just choked on my beer!

[pahoffm]

Sorry fellas.

One moments insanity.
A good night's sleep, panadol & berocca have since altered my view.

 

[AngryAnt]

It is also quite amusing that many believe we should use our 1st pick this yr on a kpp (even though it may be a speculative pick from the 2nd tier of this type) when we had the opportunity to secure a high quality AFL proven kpp in his prime in 05! :

I take it you are talking about Fevola? Good player but would have cost us a fortune.

 

[Otis]

...but aker and spida would probably demand a big pay-cheque too.

i guess hawthorn got good use out of Salmon and Rehn when they were old but i doubt that either of them would be as expensive as everitt.

 

[Leysy Days]

It is also quite amusing that many believe we should use our 1st pick this yr on a kpp (even though it may be a speculative pick from the 2nd tier of this type) when we had the opportunity to secure a high quality AFL proven kpp in his prime in 05!  :

I take it you are talking about Fevola?  Good player but would have cost us a fortune. 

People on here were advocating not spending our draft pick No 8 on him last year Antman.

They were also asking us to draft our own KPP with that pick...................well would we have have been happy if the player drafted with that pick turned out to be a coleman medallist with his best football still ahead of him.........

Damn right we would.. :-\

 

[goose]

Knobel is as good a tap ruckman as Everitt, has far more good years left (assuming there's no long term injury issues we're not aware of), has a far better attitude and is likely to be cheaper to keep than signing Spider on.

Can't see why we'd delist/low trade Knobel to do this deal - again, unless there was a serious injury issue...worse than the flak in the body Spider's carrying.

Interestingly, neither Wallace or Caro mentioned anything about Spider coming to Richmond tonight on WLF...the concensus was he'd definitely go to Sydney as I recall.

i don't hink we will get Spida - but lets be fair dinkum - Knobel is not in the same league as a ruckman as Spida. Knobel is an honest toiler at best - spida is a gun tap ruckman (jsut ask hoge, mitchell and co) and as different form knobel he actually gets the ball and can kick it !!

 

[AngryAnt]

It is also quite amusing that many believe we should use our 1st pick this yr on a kpp (even though it may be a speculative pick from the 2nd tier of this type) when we had the opportunity to secure a high quality AFL proven kpp in his prime in 05! :

I take it you are talking about Fevola? Good player but would have cost us a fortune.

People on here were advocating not spending our draft pick No 8 on him last year Antman.

They were also asking us to draft our own KPP with that pick...................well would we have have been happy if the player drafted with that pick turned out to be a coleman medallist with his best football still ahead of him.........

Damn right we would.. :-\

Sure, take your point Lleysy... in today's regime though first round picks are considered to be the be-all and end-all of recruiting. Trade everyone away to get first round picks - or never trade a first round pick for a star player.

First round picks are a gamble - hopefully less of a gamble than later ones but still a gamble, especially for KPPs.

For me the issue of a player like Fev is:

Salary - what will he cost? Will that prevent us from paying others what they deserve? Maybe, maybe not.
Balance - is he what we need? We had Richo in excellent form last year and Schulz in the wings - Hughes etc recruite.... Good call? Maybe, maybe not.
Philosophy - are we looking to win a flag in the next three years or is that unlikely? If unlikely, maybe development is the cheaper and better option.

I am not saying I have the answer, these are just the questions that need to be asked.

 

[Leysy Days]

yeah fair points Ant Eater.

Salary - Valid point, that is why we were hocking Hall, Krakouer etc to help off set it.
It was only cos we were at a low ebb financially at the time that this was an issue. normally paying $400'Gs or whatever his salary is for his output would be fine.

Balance - Cant buy that one, espech re Richo & Shultz etc..... Fev's 6 years younger than Richo.
& as for Shulze, on one hand we have a player that has a slim chance of being an 70-80 goal a year player & one that ALREADY IS.

Philosophy - sure its a long shot that we are in "the premiership window" that is why its folly to chase Aker, Everitt etc.....those guys are on the wrong side of 30.................As for Fev he's what 25, absol perfect time to recruit.....he will play till the year 2013....he much longer in the future are you planning for.......

I realise you need draft picks & high ones at that. But when a top line KPP player in his prime presents themselves youve gotta take that chance.

 

[AngryAnt]

Balance - Cant buy that one, espech re Richo & Shultz etc..... Fev's 6 years younger than Richo.
& as for Shulze, on one hand we have a player that has a slim chance of being an 70-80 goal a year player & one that ALREADY IS.

Philosophy - sure its a long shot that we are in "the premiership window" that is why its folly to chase Aker, Everitt etc.....those guys are on the wrong side of 30.................As for Fev he's what 25, absol perfect time to recruit.....he will play till the year 2013....he much longer in the future are you planning for.......

I realise you need draft picks & high ones at that. But when a top line KPP player in his prime presents themselves youve gotta take that chance.

All true Lleysy... the only other issue was that of salary - I think Carlton signed him to ridiculous money, much more than 400k as I recall although could be mistaken.

This meant we would have had to match that, or got Carlton to pay part of salary for us. Which would have been nice

 

[GoodOne]

Knobel is as good a tap ruckman as Everitt, has far more good years left (assuming there's no long term injury issues we're not aware of), has a far better attitude and is likely to be cheaper to keep than signing Spider on.

Can't see why we'd delist/low trade Knobel to do this deal - again, unless there was a serious injury issue...worse than the flak in the body Spider's carrying.

Interestingly, neither Wallace or Caro mentioned anything about Spider coming to Richmond tonight on WLF...the concensus was he'd definitely go to Sydney as I recall.

i don't hink we will get Spida - but lets be fair dinkum - Knobel is not in the same league as a ruckman as Spida.  Knobel is an honest toiler at best - spida is a gun tap ruckman (jsut ask hoge, mitchell and co) and as different form knobel he actually gets the ball and can kick it !!

You're a sensible goose. Agree with the comparison. Spida is leagues ahead of Knobel even at his age. Still no need to waste money or picks on the Spida, he doesn't calculate in our long-term future.

 

[Scoop]

Balance - Cant buy that one, espech re Richo & Shultz etc..... Fev's 6 years younger than Richo.
& as for Shulze, on one hand we have a player that has a slim chance of being an 70-80 goal a year player & one that ALREADY IS.

Philosophy - sure its a long shot that we are in "the premiership window" that is why its folly to chase Aker, Everitt etc.....those guys are on the wrong side of 30.................As for Fev he's what 25, absol perfect time to recruit.....he will play till the year 2013....he much longer in the future are you planning for.......

I realise you need draft picks & high ones at that. But when a top line KPP player in his prime presents themselves youve gotta take that chance.

All true Lleysy...  the only other issue was that of salary - I think Carlton signed him to ridiculous money, much more than 400k as I recall although could be mistaken.

This meant we would have had to match that, or got Carlton to pay part of salary for us.  Which would have been nice 

Even at 400k Fev would have been a steal, Antman.

Everyone was screaming out for a key forward that if he makes the grade, will take 5 years. Fev could have filled in that breach right now still draft a Cleve type last year or this year and he would have been ready to fill the breach once Fev was gone.

As Evo quite rightly pointed so many people on here (not directed at you here Ant, just the general population) are just so day to day in there views, no long term consistency.

Fev was a bad apple and a risk at 25 but Aker and Spida are considered worth while additions in some peoples eyes. Just don't get it at all.

 

[Ian4]

Choking on you're beer!

Does anyone know the Heineken maneuver? :beer

gotto steal that line :rofl

Think I'd rather give Gardiner a chance.

so would i (and i don't want gardiner)

Actually, Everitt on a 2 year deal, out of the PSD or a late draft pick could be excellent.

thanx but no thanx. he wouldn't wanna play at richmond anyway... he'll wanna go to a team that has a chance of winning the flag

 

[Tango]

Knobel is as good a tap ruckman as Everitt, has far more good years left (assuming there's no long term injury issues we're not aware of), has a far better attitude and is likely to be cheaper to keep than signing Spider on.

Can't see why we'd delist/low trade Knobel to do this deal - again, unless there was a serious injury issue...worse than the flak in the body Spider's carrying.

Interestingly, neither Wallace or Caro mentioned anything about Spider coming to Richmond tonight on WLF...the concensus was he'd definitely go to Sydney as I recall.

Rayzor, i have finally worked out why you rate Gumpus Hall so much - you obviously have no eye for talent
as anyone that says Knobel is in the same league as Everit is on drugs or lacks real footy nous

Spida may have his injury and off field problems but he would go close to being the most skilled and smartest (footy smarts) big man in the league, he can ruck, mark and kick goals

Knoble is at best a bean pole tap ruckman with below average skills, he cant mark and kick goals and has poor handball and field kicking skills

based on your comparisons Ray Hall is the equivalent or better than Rutten & Scarlett

 

[Scoop]

Now the Fev is being talked about as Captain Fev.

He is studying law, just had his first child, winning the coleman, going to be AA fullforward.

Talk about your wild child, thank god we didn't go after him.

At least his teamates didn't vote 12 againist keeping Fev at the club.

 

[lamb22]

Knobel is as good a tap ruckman as Everitt, has far more good years left (assuming there's no long term injury issues we're not aware of), has a far better attitude and is likely to be cheaper to keep than signing Spider on.

Can't see why we'd delist/low trade Knobel to do this deal - again, unless there was a serious injury issue...worse than the flak in the body Spider's carrying.

Interestingly, neither Wallace or Caro mentioned anything about Spider coming to Richmond tonight on WLF...the concensus was he'd definitely go to Sydney as I recall.

Rayzor, i have finally worked out why you rate Gumpus Hall so much - you obviously have no eye for talent
as anyone that says Knobel is in the same league as Everit is on drugs or lacks real footy nous

Spida may have his injury and off field problems but he would go close to being the most skilled and smartest (footy smarts) big man in the league, he can ruck, mark and kick goals

Knoble is at best a bean pole tap ruckman with below average skills, he cant mark and kick goals and has poor handball and field kicking skills

based on your comparisons Ray Hall is the equivalent or better than Rutten & Scarlett

Tango. RW will explain to you that Ray Hall would be just as good as Scarlett and Rutten if he played with the Cats and Crows.  If Hall did let in a lot of goals in place of Scarlett or Rutten it becomes a hypothetical question which RW will answer the ball was coming in so much any full back would have struggled and BTW the goals were kicked while Ray Hall was covering for someone else and if the opposition didn'y kick it to the full forward so much (who'd a thought?) Ray would have done well.  I dont want to paraphrase you RW but I think that's right isn't it.

After all that I agree with Rayzor - No Everitt please (his off the ball play if woeful lazy undisciplined doesn't pick up or do the hard stuff- that's probably why his win loss record is the worst in the league)  Knobel OK as tap ruckman.

PS my daughter's two most unfavourite players (with Buckley and Chaffey a close equal third) are "Akermoron" and that 'ugly ugly man ' Everitt. She's not happy Jan!!

 

[GoodOne]

Now the Fev is being talked about as Captain Fev.

He is studying law, just had his first child, winning the coleman, going to be AA fullforward.

Talk about your wild child, thank god we didn't go after him.

At least his teamates didn't vote 12 againist keeping Fev at the club.

He has also learnt how to speak fluent Latin, and his thesis on solving the world's global warming problem is in contention for a Knobel prize. His transformation has been remarkable.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Now the Fev is being talked about as Captain Fev.

He is studying law, just had his first child, winning the coleman, going to be AA fullforward.

Talk about your wild child, thank god we didn't go after him.

At least his teamates didn't vote 12 againist keeping Fev at the club.

He has also learnt how to speak fluent Latin, and his thesis on solving the world's global warming problem is in contention for a Knobel prize. His transformation has been remarkable.

all that and he got a haircut.
He's a regular boyscout is Brendan. Shucks.

 

[AngryAnt]

Balance - Cant buy that one, espech re Richo & Shultz etc..... Fev's 6 years younger than Richo.
& as for Shulze, on one hand we have a player that has a slim chance of being an 70-80 goal a year player & one that ALREADY IS.

Philosophy - sure its a long shot that we are in "the premiership window" that is why its folly to chase Aker, Everitt etc.....those guys are on the wrong side of 30.................As for Fev he's what 25, absol perfect time to recruit.....he will play till the year 2013....he much longer in the future are you planning for.......

I realise you need draft picks & high ones at that. But when a top line KPP player in his prime presents themselves youve gotta take that chance.

All true Lleysy... the only other issue was that of salary - I think Carlton signed him to ridiculous money, much more than 400k as I recall although could be mistaken.

This meant we would have had to match that, or got Carlton to pay part of salary for us. Which would have been nice

Even at 400k Fev would have been a steal, Antman.

Everyone was screaming out for a key forward that if he makes the grade, will take 5 years. Fev could have filled in that breach right now still draft a Cleve type last year or this year and he would have been ready to fill the breach once Fev was gone.

As Evo quite rightly pointed so many people on here (not directed at you here Ant, just the general population) are just so day to day in there views, no long term consistency.

Fev was a bad apple and a risk at 25 but Aker and Spida are considered worth while additions in some peoples eyes. Just don't get it at all.

Yep fair post Scoop. Aker and spida would both be too risky. I don't mind a short-term solution if it solves a specific problem a la Mark Graham last year though.

So basically a guy with only one or a few years left would have to be cheap to be worth it and I don't reckon Spida or Aka would be.

You guys do make a good case for Fev though.