I was watching a 1982 H & A game - Rich Vs Fitzroy......

[The Mighty Wozman]

Did anyone see this game from 1982?  I don't want to go on too much about this year, but I will say that Foxtel has helped me piece together of what went wrong with the Tigers in 1982.

- BT played a ripper game, but didn't play in the Grand Final - can someone confirm - was he injured?
- Roach played a brilliant game in the ruck - very forward thinking for 1982 - why wasn't this continued?
- Rioli and raines seemed to work well together in this game.
- Malhouse was as tough as nails. I saw him give Conlan (I think) an upper cut.  Would have got 6-8 weeks if he did it now. We all know what happened the night before the Grand Final.
- Martello looked terrible in this game - made Strachan look agile and nimble.

Some of these trends were and were not continued in the GF - may have been costly.

 

[23.21.159]

Wozza, There were a few threads floating around some weeks back where Phantom and a few others dissected 1982, particularly the GF, a search might prove useful. As a part of this exercise I re-watched the GF which can be a painful but enlightening experience. If nothing else, from a footballing perspective, it is a more interesting and entertaining game than the 1980 GF, if you can divorce yourself from the Richmond factor (not an easy thing to do). There are times during the game where one finds it difficult to believe how we could possibly have gone on to lose the match, even though we were never very far ahead.
As for your comments, BT was left out because "someone" felt that he and Roach made us too top heavy in the forward line - a laughable statement when you think about the game today. In his place came one Ian Sartori, ex St. Kilda and didn't do much in his entire career. Methinks the disgraceful decision-making that has been the Richmond hallmark for nearly three decades started in the third week of September 1982.

 

[Skills]

Methinks the disgraceful decision-making that has been the Richmond hallmark for nearly three decades started in the third week of September 1982.

"If only I could turn back time..."

 

[The Mighty Wozman]

Wozza, There were a few threads floating around some weeks back where Phantom and a few others dissected 1982, particularly the GF, a search might prove useful. As a part of this exercise I re-watched the GF which can be a painful but enlightening experience. If nothing else, from a footballing perspective, it is a more interesting and entertaining game than the 1980 GF, if you can divorce yourself from the Richmond factor (not an easy thing to do). There are times during the game where one finds it difficult to believe how we could possibly have gone on to lose the match, even though we were never very far ahead.
As for your comments, BT was left out because "someone" felt that he and Roach made us too top heavy in the forward line - a laughable statement when you think about the game today. In his place came one Ian Sartori, ex St. Kilda and didn't do much in his entire career. Methinks the disgraceful decision-making that has been the Richmond hallmark for nearly three decades started in the third week of September 1982.

Thanks 23 - I too have watched the 1982 Grand Final in recent times and it is an awkard/engrossing/bizarre experience. You can almost see the cracks of the club opening up right there as Marcou slots that last goal. But what has been interesting (having Fox Footy), is the amount of Home and Away footage that has been shown from 1982 (footage that I had well and truly forgotten).

What I was trying to say was that Richmond seemed to have the balance (between Roach and Taylor) during the Fitzroy game (and others I have seen from this season). It was also obvious during this game that Martello could be suspect if under pressure. Sartori was nowhere in sight and even Andy Preston was holding his own. Malthouse was Malthouse.

I know 1982 has been discussed extensively on this site, but from a historical point of view watching 1982 H & A footage, as well as the 1982 Semi Final, have only created more questions of what went wrong.

 

[5SKULL5]

Yep St Francis really should of had Malthouse in the team.
Geez we had a few reject players in that team
Martello Brewer Sartori Preston etc.
Then there was that stripper.
Almost put me off strippers for life that carlton scarf she wore.

 

[tigertim]

Did anyone see this game from 1982?  I don't want to go on too much about this year, but I will say that Foxtel has helped me piece together of what went wrong with the Tigers in 1982.

- BT played a ripper game, but didn't play in the Grand Final - can someone confirm - was he injured?
- Roach played a brilliant game in the ruck - very forward thinking for 1982 - why wasn't this continued?
- Rioli and raines seemed to work well together in this game.
- Malhouse was as tough as nails. I saw him give Conlan (I think) an upper cut.  Would have got 6-8 weeks if he did it now. We all know what happened the night before the Grand Final.
- Martello looked terrible in this game - made Strachan look agile and nimble.

Some of these trends were and were not continued in the GF - may have been costly.

The 82 GF stills sticks in guts! I went as a 15 yr old and I've never really watched a replay of it but seen bits and pieces over the years.

Recruiting was a funny thing back then. We had the best FF in the comp in Roachy but we went out and got BT. To be fair BT was a CHF/HF when he was recruited from Mandurah WA in '80. We then crucfied Roachy by playing him in the ruck when he and his body weren't up to it. He later even played a full back. In the end BT left. We had Raines in the centre and went out and recruited Maurice Rioli. Maurice blitzed, Raines cracked it and left. Maurice wanted to leave a few years later ('85? with Tim Barling to go to the Swans) as well and eventually left after 87. He was never as good as he was in '82. In 83 we recruited some ordinary players (Foley, Gepp, Palm) who we thought/beleived could replace Wood/Cloke/Raines. They never did come close. And neither has the club in all that time.

 

[frickenel]

I remember that game well. It was a round 2 game but they played it a week before round 1 if that makes any sense!!

I vividly remember BT standing over a prostrate lion (probably Laurie Serafini) and giving it to him while he lay there half out of it.

Roach did well in the ruck in terms of picking up possessions around the ground. BT was leading the goal kicking from Malcolm Blight half way through the season when he then did a knee ligament (i think medial) and missed a heap of games, just getting back during the finals. Acutally BT had his gurnsey ripped off and was given the number 25 and THEN did his knee leading to many believing the gurnsey was cursed as Eric Leech hardly managed a senior game in it.

Lee came back from a broken wrist and resumed his position in the ruck causing the squeeze with Roach and Taylor in the forward line. Just imagine if the Victorian side had have thought like we did instead of playing both Plugger and Dunstal next to eahc other.

Crazy really when you think of the mobility of a Roach against both Dunstal and Lockett.

You could have used Taylor to bustle in the square, and Roach to either lead or sit on the top of the contest created by BT.

Martello was a plodder but does anyone remember the impact Stephen Pirrie had when we started using him at full back. He was doing fantastically well before doing a knee and requiring a reconstruction.

The next time i saw him was on TV in the Army Reserve Cup in an Essendon jumper jobbing Steve James right in the chops.

Bomber James them shaped up to him in boxing fashion................... about 15 yards away where he was safe. In fact if memory serves me correctly thats how far Pirrie's punch knocked him.

 

[Skills]

It's a bit late 'frickenel' and I cant sleep. I'd like to clear up some of the information from your last post. The Tigers/ Lions match being mentioned here was played in July 82, unlike the match you may be referring to, the season opener at Waverley (a Round 2 Home & Away fixture).

Jim Jess was KO'd during this game. Jess missed the following week at VFL Park, against Essendon, allowing Pirrie to make his debut.

Mark Lee was injured during the season, as was Brian Taylor. When Lee returned, he played a few games at FF, kicking a bag against Melb & St Kilda. By Round 22, Taylor had returned and suddenly the Tigers were looking balanced again. Up forward, Roach, Cloke, Taylor. Down Back, Jess, Martello, Dunne.

As for the 82 GF, Richmond had several players under a cloud. Infact, along with Malthouse, Raines, Keane & one other player were having fitness tests on Thursday Night.

On GF day, I recently heard an amazing strategy used by Bourke (for the first time) - Meditation. It didn't work !

As for Cloke, Raines & Wood departing, there was strong evidence to suggest these players had already been in discussions with other clubs, well before the season ended

 

[The Mighty Wozman]

Another H and A game was shown from 82 - Essendon Vs Richmond.  Not the first encounter at the MCG, but the second one at Waverley.  Again, similar pattern - Roach in the ruck (Lee was coming off the bench), Raines in the midfield, BT down forward with Cloke as a CHF who regularly dropped back in the goal square - this worked well.  As pointed out, Perrie looked pretty impressive in this game - more agile than the loping Martello.

Again the question arises, why wasn't this structure sustained???? 

The H & A games of 1982 are starting to tell the real story IMO....forget about the streaker and G James, it is the selection of the team that was the real failing...  watching these games it is like being a historian and discovering some primary evidence  :-X