If it wasn't for Frawley

[tigers#7]

I know this is a bit of a "couldve been" thread, but just interested to know peoples thoughts on where they think we wouldve been if we hadnt have had Frawley as coach. We mightve had Pavlich! Do you reckon we wouldve made any more finals? Your opinion.

 

[Rosy]

We were a basket case and coaches weren't exactly lining up for the job. Danny took over a mediocre list and got them to a finals experience but didn't develop the list for the future. There are more people than Danny responsible for that. Greg Beck has since gone, Greg Miller would have had a lot of say. They certainly inherited a list that needed a lot of work done with it but it couldn't be done overnight. Don't forget we got some pretty good kids in that time. Cogs, a Jack Dyer winner is one example, .

Bomber Thompson turned us down. Would we have been any better with him. Geelong is a rabble at the moment wheras Richmond is slowly but surely digging itself out of the deep hole they were in, both on and off-field. A hole that Danny probably contributed to but we had previous coaches who were pretty good with the shovel too.

Rather than wonder how we'd be if we didn't have Danny I wonder how we would have been if we'd held on to John Northey.

 

[tigers#7]

I dont remember Northey, was he good or bad? lol

 

[Rosy]

I dont remember Northey, was he good or bad? lol

Have you watched the 1995 Richmond/Essendon final t7? You would have been a baby then but it's well worth watching. John Northey had the players almost believing they were invincible. If anyone could bottle that ability they'd be millionaires. They played as a united team with a lot of passion. He didn't exactly have the best of lists but he got the best out of the list. He was a very good coach imo.

 

[tigers#7]

I dont remember Northey, was he good or bad? lol

Have you watched the 1995 Richmond/Essendon final t7?  You would have been a baby then but it's well worth watching.  John Northey had the players almost believing they were invincible.   If anyone could bottle that ability they'd be millionaires.  They played as a united team with a lot of passion.    He didn't exactly have the best of lists but he got the best out of the list.   He was a very good coach imo.

If its the game I'm thinking about when we came back form 6 goals down at half time then, yes ive watched it. Great game that one. He didnt really have the tactics though the next week against Geelong though, didnt we pumped by about 14 goals! lol

 

[Rosy]

Yep 2 extremes there.  We weren't up to it, and class told out in the end,  but my point is that Essendon game is typical of the passion that got us to the finals in the first place.

 

[Al Bundy]

Yep 2 extremes there. We weren't up to it, and class told out in the end, but my point is that Essendon game is typical of the passion that got us to the finals in the first place.

Spot on Rosy.

Also add,

He had them fully behind the "THEM vs US " attitude & it worked & that really got up the noses of a few clubs. Were we lacked in skills we shined in belief & that did carry us forward to many wins. Simialr to what Frawley did in 2001. But in typical fashion it fell apart as it developed into something good.

I hope the club has learnt dearly from these times & beleive we are on the right track to build a team that will have sustained success rather than peak for a year & fall apart.

 

[Ruthless Tigers ?]

Northey didnt have the cattle but he had the players believing in themselves...belief that came out of left field. He stirred the players into an area that had them playing for him. Spud had that at one stage.....but could ont sustain it. Wallace is going to stir us into a new future and you can see that belief is starting to build. The what ifs and could have beens are history. Ours like many clubs made blunders and missed opportunities....how many lcubs overlooked James Hird who was taken in the 70's....I am sur ethat many of the league's notables were also overlooked and taken as gambles.

I am just glad that at last some mongrel (rightly or wrongly) is being insteilled at Punt Road and I am sure that it will bring success....with Wallace or without him....the foundations are being set in place.

Just wish that like then things were handled slightly differently.....

 

[the claw]

df has much to answer for. but its been the succesive footy depts and committes that are really responsible.our recruiting list management and prfessionalism in all ares related to footy has been the worst in the comp for a long time and the fiscal running of the club has been just as deplorable. the worry is im not real sure if we have improved much in any area in recent times.

 

[TigerMasochist]

df has much to answer for. but its been the succesive footy depts and committes that are really responsible.our recruiting  list management and prfessionalism in all ares related to footy has been the worst in the comp for a long time and the fiscal running of the club has been just as deplorable.

I can agree with some of what you say Clawmeister.


the worry is im not real sure if we have improved much in any area in recent times.

Can only wait and see where the list and game style changes take us over the next few years as the kids develop, but you would have to admit Claw that Terry's first two years have been a hell of a lot better than Spuds last couple.

 

[North Sea Tiger]

Yep, Pavlich would've been nice, but Fiora was rated by all the clubs. It's just the way things turn out.

 

[cagedtiger]

If it wasn't for Frawley we wouldn't have Deledio.

 

[Mr Brightside]

When will it be time that we move on an never speak of the evil again :-X

 

[GoodOne]

If it wasn't for Frawley we wouldn't have Deledio.

:clap :rofl

 

[AZZORP]

DF was part of a total organisation which performed poorly although we must remember that he did take us to a finals series.

IMHO the board hung on to DF long enough to:

a) bottom out and get draft picks ie. Deledio, Tambling, Polo, Meyer etc
b) wait for a decent coach ie. Terry Wallace
c) rebuild the "sack the coach" mentality we had built up over the year - ie send a message to Wallace, Eade etc that we will treat a coach with respect and see him out

I'll never forget watching us giving game time to players we all knew would be gone at seasons end as we worked towards those priority picks.

I believe the last 2 years of DF's tenure really were the beginning of our rebuilding process. He was never going to be allowed to have the list after his contract was up but we did save a alot of face and rebulit some credibility with the way we handled his departure.

 

[GoodOne]

c) rebuild the "sack the coach" mentality we had built up over the year - ie send a message to Wallace, Eade etc that we will treat a coach with respect and see him out

Nice comments AZZ. I think you are giving a bit too much credit for c) though. It is very regretful, that the Tigers decided to fix the coach turnover mentality with the hiring of Frawley. Was in the job 3 years too long.

 

[TigerForce]

c) rebuild the "sack the coach" mentality we had built up over the year - ie send a message to Wallace, Eade etc that we will treat a coach with respect and see him out

Nice comments AZZ.  I think you are giving a bit too much credit for c) though.  It is very regretful, that the Tigers decided to fix the coach turnover mentality with the hiring of Frawley.  Was in the job 3 years too long.

3 years ? I don't think we would've sacked him after the 2001 finals.

2004 was the perfect time because TW wasn't leaving the media until 2005.

 

[Ian4]

apparently spud the dud has been talking to hawthorn for a role there  :rofl

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Spud made a comment late in the game on MMM yesterday which showed the sum total of his football knowledge. The Eagles were 16 points up and time was running out for Adelaide and special comments man Frawley comes up with this gem: "The Crows will have to kick 3 goals to win this." He was truly Tony Shaw's protege.

 

[GoodOne]

c) rebuild the "sack the coach" mentality we had built up over the year - ie send a message to Wallace, Eade etc that we will treat a coach with respect and see him out

Nice comments AZZ.  I think you are giving a bit too much credit for c) though.  It is very regretful, that the Tigers decided to fix the coach turnover mentality with the hiring of Frawley.  Was in the job 3 years too long.

3 years ?  I don't think we would've sacked him after the 2001 finals.

2004 was the perfect time because TW wasn't leaving the media until 2005.

k 5 years too long