If it's true, Newman should resign as captain

[Total Tiger]

It's quite right for the captain to say "the players have some issues and we need to talk about them". For him to say "you need to resign" is arrogant and wrong. You don't demand the resignation of your manager and expect to keep your job and footy clubs should be no different. Maybe a new coach will want his own say on who the captain should be.

 

[Smoking Aces]

After watching the interview last night with Terry on the Footy Show I am glad Chris Newman asked for his resignation. Its clear as day that the playing group too were fed up with all his *smile*.

 

[Azza]

After watching the interview last night with Terry on the Footy Show I am glad Chris Newman asked for his resignation. Its clear as day that the playing group too were fed up with all his *smile*.

Can't blame them for thinking that, just for what they did about it.

Anyway, to go back tot he thread title, no, he doesn't need to resign now the man he confronted is gone. Hope Newman has learnt there's a right way and a wrong way to go about things now.

 

[tigerman]

I'd say that more than likely what happened was that Chris Newman did what he thought was the right thing.
After losing the players confidence, Chris out of courtesy went to Terry and told him as much, and that he and the leadership group were going to request a meeting with Gary March and Co.
There's every likelyhood that Terry then leaked it to his media mates.
I'm missing you already Terry!!

 

[RemoteTiger]

I am not a Wallace fan, I was when he was appointed but I changed my view on Terry in 2007.

If what is being reported is true, and that is that Chris Newman asked Terry Wallace to resign, then he does not deserve to be captain.

As the old saying goes no one is bigger than the club.

The players are not in charge of who coaches the club.

Chris you should never have done what you did, in fact it was a big mistake making you captain.

RFC players, you bloody disgrace!

WHAT A LOAD OF FROG *smile*!

And that goes for the rest of you weak pussy footing supporters who agree on this thread!

Many times in may industries and including professional sporting organisations a subordinate has called on his/her superior to ship up or ship out. Why? Because they can see the detriment that the coach is having to their careers and their peers careers.

Plus in Newman's case as a Captain he has to be the one to represent all the players or even a faction of players to the coach if there is an issue. As a captain he is a conduit to the coach for difficult communications that need to come from a group of players rather than an individual player.

It has been obvious that Wallace lost a vast number of the playing list with is game style and plan - they just did not believe in it as they tried to execute it - either the coach changes the game style/plan (ala Ross Lyon at the Saints - after the players confronted him through their captain) or the coach leaves.

BRAVO NEWMAN - IMO you are the man!

 

[Azza]

I'd say that more than likely what happened was that Chris Newman did what he thought was the right thing.
After losing the players confidence, Chris out of courtesy went to Terry and told him as much, and that he and the leadership group were going to request a meeting with Gary March and Co.
There's every likelyhood that Terry then leaked it to his media mates.
I'm missing you already Terry!!

You've got a point there. I have little doubt Wallace leaked. But exactly what was said? Your scenario seems more likely than a straight-out request to resign. Terry interpreted it that way and went squealing to his mates. That's why they were all so certain of what went on at the meeting. The trouble is, they were going on Terry's spin of the discussion, not the reality.

It may also be why he's so close-lipped about the meeting. He realises he told the wrong story to his mates, and now can't reveal the truth without looking like a total twat.

 

[Total Tiger]

WHAT A LOAD OF FROG sh!t!

And that goes for the rest of you weak pussy footing supporters who agree on this thread!

Many times in may industries and including professional sporting organisations a subordinate has called on his/her superior to ship up or ship out. Why? Because they can see the detriment that the coach is having to their careers and their peers careers.

Plus in Newman's case as a Captain he has to be the one to represent all the players or even a faction of players to the coach if there is an issue. As a captain he is a conduit to the coach for difficult communications that need to come from a group of players rather than an individual player.

It has been obvious that Wallace lost a vast number of the playing list with is game style and plan - they just did not believe in it as they tried to execute it - either the coach changes the game style/plan (ala Ross Lyon at the Saints - after the players confronted him through their captain) or the coach leaves.

BRAVO NEWMAN - IMO you are the man!

I'm sorry. I didn't realise that we could have an opinion that was different to yours without being called weak pussy footing supporters. That's offensive. I'm actually a very strong supporter as is everyone here. I just believe that Newman should have discussed the players' concerns rather than demanding the coach resign. That would have been the mature thing to do IN MY OPINION (not always right, but always mine).

 

[Tiger74]

I'm sorry. I didn't realise that we could have an opinion that was different to yours without being called weak pussy footing supporters. That's offensive. I'm actually a very strong supporter as is everyone here. I just believe that Newman should have discussed the players' concerns rather than demanding the coach resign. That would have been the mature thing to do IN MY OPINION (not always right, but always mine).

no-one knows what Newman said except Newman and Terry. Its obvious Newman is under orders to not comment, and as for Terry, he didn't seem too sad to let Newman swing in the breeze, even though Sammy pointed out that Wallace's "no comment" would essentially hang Newman.

Who benefited from the leak?
Who's reputation was killed by the leak?
Who's version of the meeting is essentially the only one that has been told?

 

[RemoteTiger]

I'm sorry. I didn't realise that we could have an opinion that was different to yours without being called weak pussy footing supporters. That's offensive. I'm actually a very strong supporter as is everyone here. I just believe that Newman should have discussed the players' concerns rather than demanding the coach resign. That would have been the mature thing to do IN MY OPINION (not always right, but always mine).

As a messanger for the players the players may have requested Newman approach Wallace with those words.......I am not opposed to anybody having a different opinion to mine - I am opposed to those public opinion bandwagon riders who just jump on with everybody else and do not appear to have an orignal thought themselves.

Plus I have never liked working with "yes" men or women - I have always like to analyse an opposing option or view before making a final decision on which way to take my company - all the posts on this thread that agree with its title suggest just that - the players should be "yes" men without a thought for the club, themselves and the supporters.

To be successful every stakeholder involved must be moving to the beat of the same drum and heading in the same direction on the same route to the same goal - this is obviously not the case at the RFC at the moment.......

 

[nifti]

his actions were very un australian sorry should stand down.

 

[RemoteTiger]

his actions were very un australian sorry should stand down.

What standing up to your superiors is un Australian? Which Australia do you live in? We have been standing up to superiors since the days of convict settlement..............

 

[meltiger]

LOL Remote.


How many times in your career have you approached your superior and demand they resign?

 

[Azza]

The tail can't wag the dog.

That's been our problem under Terry. He's got pretty well used to running the football department. Fine when we were bare-bones at the start, but now it's just not appropriate.

Players shouldn't be asking a coach to resign. If necessary they should be broaching loss of confidence concernes with the coach and head of the football department, so a decision can be made in the right circles. IF the players asked Terry to resign directly, it shows a lack of confidence in the upper hierarchy to listen and act. If true, this in itself reflects poorly on RFC management.

As it is, if the captain DID ask the coach to resign and it didn't end-up happening, I would expect the relationship to become untenable and the captain to have to stand-down. With Terry moved on, this becomes moot.

Anyway, in the best traditions of PRE, it's all speculation built on rumours so Newmans resignation is hardly at issue.

 

[Tigers of Old]

BRAVO NEWMAN - IMO you are the man!

Reckon so too.

It wouldn't have even happened if Wallet had done the honorable thing and fallen on his sword a week earlier instead of going on the public record declaring his intention to coach out the season because of his fear of being seen to walk out on two clubs.

The situation was obviously untenable. Newie was only saying what we were all thinking.

Two weeks later he's gone anyway. Thank goodness.

 

[RemoteTiger]

LOL Remote.


How many times in your career have you approached your superior and demand they resign?

Only a couple of times - and I worded in a manner that he has lost the respect of the sales team and he should either endeavor to get it back or get a new sales team or move on.

In both occassions they moved on and on the first occassion a new sales manager was appointed and brought about a huge positive change in the sales figures. The second time I was appointed Sales Manager and increased sales by a mere 363% over the next year - bloody hard work though.

In sales teams it does happen quite a bit............and IMO it should be encouraged - recently in my own company where I am the MD I was approached by my weekend sales manager and was advised that the shop manager had lost the staff with her dictatorial style and that is why sales were decreasing - I got the sales team and the shop manager together and we thrashed it out - sales team did not pull any punches and the shop manager knew exactly where she was going wrong - she came to me the next day with her resignation - I talked her around to staying as a senior sales person and appointed a new shop manager - the shop just turned a profit after 4 months of losses....

The tail can't wag the dog.

That's been our problem under Terry. He's got pretty well used to running the football department. Fine when we were bare-bones at the start, but now it's just not appropriate.

Players shouldn't be asking a coach to resign. If necessary they should be broaching loss of confidence concernes with the coach and head of the football department, so a decision can be made in the right circles. IF the players asked Terry to resign directly, it shows a lack of confidence in the upper hierarchy to listen and act. If true, this in itself reflects poorly on RFC management.

As it is, if the captain DID ask the coach to resign and it didn't end-up happening, I would expect the relationship to become untenable and the captain to have to stand-down. With Terry moved on, this becomes moot.

Anyway, in the best traditions of PRE, it's all speculation built on rumours so Newmans resignation is hardly at issue.

Agreed...........

 

[tigerjoe]

As a messanger for the players the players may have requested Newman approach Wallace with those words.......I am not opposed to anybody having a different opinion to mine - I am opposed to those public opinion bandwagon riders who just jump on with everybody else and do not appear to have an orignal thought themselves.

Plus I have never liked working with "yes" men or women - I have always like to analyse an opposing option or view before making a final decision on which way to take my company - all the posts on this thread that agree with its title suggest just that - the players should be "yes" men without a thought for the club, themselves and the supporters.

To be successful every stakeholder involved must be moving to the beat of the same drum and heading in the same direction on the same route to the same goal - this is obviously not the case at the RFC at the moment.......

RT I am as frustrated and dissappointed as you are.

I read your thread about us being the laughing stock and being pitied by people because we are Tiger supporters.

And while I wanted Wallace gone in 2007 because he gave us another spoon and our draft behaviour was a disgrace, the players however upset and frustrated cannot dictate terms to a coach.

March and the board had things well and truly under control. The writing was on the wall last year when you could tell March had it in for Terry.

I think a big problem of ours for many years has been that the players have too much say.

It's time to get someone with some real kahuna's to set our list up as a hard tackling, ferociuos side that does the 1% ers and doesn't succumb to the slightest bit of pressure.

I feel numb at the moment not knowing who will take over full time, and as much as I like Chris Newman we need a new captain who leads by example on field.

It won't happen but Cousins is the perfect fit, middle finger and all.

 

[Total Tiger]

I am not opposed to anybody having a different opinion to mine - I am opposed to those public opinion bandwagon riders who just jump on with everybody else and do not appear to have an orignal thought themselves.

I also don't mind anybody having a different opinion to mine - I actually enjoy the debate. I DO mind being referred to as a "weak pussy minded supporter" just because my opinion is different to yours and the presumption that because my opinion is different to yours that I'm a public opinion bandwagoner without the capacity for an original thought process. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on the Newman situation. But I'm entitled to have an opinion and express it, as you are too, without the insults.

 

[RemoteTiger]

I also don't mind anybody having a different opinion to mine - I actually enjoy the debate. I DO mind being referred to as a "weak pussy minded supporter" just because my opinion is different to yours and the presumption that because my opinion is different to yours that I'm a public opinion bandwagoner without the capacity for an original thought process. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on the Newman situation. But I'm entitled to have an opinion and express it, as you are too, without the insults.

It has obviously touched a nerve! It appears as though in this instance the cap does not fit - so I would not take it as directed at you.............

 

[meltiger]

Only a couple of times - and I worded in a manner that he has lost the respect of the sales team and he should either endeavor to get it back or get a new sales team or move on.

So not a straight demand they resign

In sales teams it does happen quite a bit............

Then maybe you lot are different to the rest of the world.


I know exactly what would happen if I did it now ... & I certainly know what happened when I did it at my last job