If Mal Michael is available should we grab him?

[Brettstigers]

No he doesn't want to play footy anymore.
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[craig]

Yep Mal has lost his passion for the game which is fair enough........... great player who for mine will be lost to the game in 3 weeks time, maybe the great M Voss may also be re appraising his future after the bashing they took, may feel discretion the better part of valour and may move on.

 

[GoodOne]

His team mates are a rabble without him. Did you see last night's game?

Last year Aker carried them on his back and this year he did the same until he got sick of it. Check out his 2005 stats and tell me otherwise

I think the long injury list and number of new players would have something to do with it more than Acker carrying them on his back. Acker has been a great player but he's not THAT great.

 

[Bill James]

Comparison to Lockett sis tupid. Locket was big, played big and stayed big. He was also the top full forward of the mondern era. Acker should be compared to Woewodin. A peroxide brownlow medalist who relied on motor and speed which has already started to wane. Remember it was predominantly his team mates who sacked him and they cited his non-preparedness to do the team things.

  :cutelaugh Into comedy are you Bill?

His team mates are a rabble without him. Did you see last night's game?

Last year Aker carried them on his back and this year he did the same until he got sick of it. Check out his 2005 stats and tell me otherwise

Firstly most of "his" teamates are on the sidelines with him. Only 8 premiership players on the park last night so there are a few other reasons for the debacle than Acker.

Secondly why look at 2005 whoever gets him will be getting the 2007 version. Lets look at the current season (2006) and compare him to one of our own half forwards.

PETTIFER	2006 Averages	AKERMANIS
18.0	Games	14.0
17.8	Disposals	19.0
14.7	Kicks	14.2
4.6	Long Kicks	5.2
8.3	Marks	5.6
0.7	Contested Marks	0.5
3.1	Handballs	4.8
2.2	Tackles	3.6
1.4	Goals	1.1
1.0	Behinds	1.1
1.0	Frees For	0.9
1.6	Frees Against	1.0
0.0	Hitouts	0.0
0.6	First Possessions	2.1
0.8	Clearances	2.3
5.0	Inside 50s	3.9
1.2	Rebound 50s	1.4
1.4	Contested Possessions	1.6
16.0	Uncontested Possessions	17.1
1.7	1%ers	2.8
3.8	Errors	3.4
0.3	Bounces	0.7

Probably unfair to compare him to an out an out champion like Pettifer.

 

[JR8]

Probably unfair to compare him to an out an out champion like Pettifer.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

 

[nitrotiger]

Yep Mal has lost his passion for the game which is fair enough........... great player who for mine will be lost to the game in 3 weeks time, maybe the great M Voss may also be re appraising his future after the bashing they took, may feel discretion the better part of valour and may move on.

Jeezz Craig...no doubt about these liars......With a club that serves up 3 flags and then they decide theyre bored and want to hop off........
Can understand if mal Michael isnt motivated......but still reckon its a case of abandoning ship.......especially if he plays for a club.....I have an analogy on that wich might be construed as being a bit racist.....let me put it succcinctly.....
I reckon Mal just wants to go walkabout.......lack of motivation be buggered......its different for Vossy cause hes run himself into the ground and being human,the caper of hard footy has taken his toll...Mal Michael is as fit as a fiddle....cheers!

 

[Hayfever]

Comparison to Lockett sis tupid. Locket was big, played big and stayed big. He was also the top full forward of the mondern era. Acker should be compared to Woewodin. A peroxide brownlow medalist who relied on motor and speed which has already started to wane. Remember it was predominantly his team mates who sacked him and they cited his non-preparedness to do the team things.

  :cutelaugh Into comedy are you Bill?

His team mates are a rabble without him. Did you see last night's game?

Last year Aker carried them on his back and this year he did the same until he got sick of it. Check out his 2005 stats and tell me otherwise

Firstly most of "his" teamates are on the sidelines with him. Only 8 premiership players on the park last night so there are a few other reasons for the debacle than Acker

Only 8 eh Bill?  No wonder we thrashed them with all of our premiership players in then  ;D

 

[feisty tige]

Yeah, all one of them :hihi

Good team work tigers.

 

[pahoffm]

Firstly most of "his" teamates are on the sidelines with him. Only 8 premiership players on the park last night so there are a few other reasons for the debacle than Acker.

Secondly why look at 2005 whoever gets him will be getting the 2007 version. Lets look at the current season (2006) and compare him to one of our own half forwards.

PETTIFER	2006 Averages	AKERMANIS
18.0	Games	14.0
17.8	Disposals	19.0
14.7	Kicks	14.2
4.6	Long Kicks	5.2
8.3	Marks	5.6
0.7	Contested Marks	0.5
3.1	Handballs	4.8
2.2	Tackles	3.6
1.4	Goals	1.1
1.0	Behinds	1.1
1.0	Frees For	0.9
1.6	Frees Against	1.0
0.0	Hitouts	0.0
0.6	First Possessions	2.1
0.8	Clearances	2.3
5.0	Inside 50s	3.9
1.2	Rebound 50s	1.4
1.4	Contested Possessions	1.6
16.0	Uncontested Possessions	17.1
1.7	1%ers	2.8
3.8	Errors	3.4
0.3	Bounces	0.7

Probably unfair to compare him to an out an out champion like Pettifer.   

These stats indicate, to me, that Pettifer is the better outside footballer, whilst Ackermanis is the better inside footballer.
Ackers strengths are 1st possies, clearances & 1%ers, whilst Petts does better with uncontested marks & inside 50s.

Both have good stats.

 

[Bill James]

Firstly most of "his" teamates are on the sidelines with him. Only 8 premiership players on the park last night so there are a few other reasons for the debacle than Acker.

Secondly why look at 2005 whoever gets him will be getting the 2007 version. Lets look at the current season (2006) and compare him to one of our own half forwards.

PETTIFER	2006 Averages	AKERMANIS
18.0	Games	14.0
17.8	Disposals	19.0
14.7	Kicks	14.2
4.6	Long Kicks	5.2
8.3	Marks	5.6
0.7	Contested Marks	0.5
3.1	Handballs	4.8
2.2	Tackles	3.6
1.4	Goals	1.1
1.0	Behinds	1.1
1.0	Frees For	0.9
1.6	Frees Against	1.0
0.0	Hitouts	0.0
0.6	First Possessions	2.1
0.8	Clearances	2.3
5.0	Inside 50s	3.9
1.2	Rebound 50s	1.4
1.4	Contested Possessions	1.6
16.0	Uncontested Possessions	17.1
1.7	1%ers	2.8
3.8	Errors	3.4
0.3	Bounces	0.7

Probably unfair to compare him to an out an out champion like Pettifer.   

These stats indicate, to me, that Pettifer is the better outside footballer, whilst Ackermanis is the better inside footballer.
Ackers strengths are 1st possies, clearances & 1%ers, whilst Petts does better with uncontested marks & inside 50s.

Both have good stats.

These stats indicate to me that Aker is well and truly in decline.

 

[Tigers of Old]

These stats indicate to me that Aker is well and truly in decline.

I'm not convinced at all by that comment Bill.

To get a fairer idea of whether he is in decline, it would be interesting to compare Akers stats for the Lions over the past 5 seasons.
I don't think your comparison against Pettifer is a clear indication at all.

Where is the statistic for X factor?
Where is the statistic for the ability to kick a goal at a crucial time in the game?
Where is the statistic to break open a pack at pace and feed it off to your team mate and set up a goal.
Where is the statistic to change the face of the match?

Pure statics often hide quality and Aker's got that in spades over Petts.

 

[Hayfever]

Bill......the only thing I'd use Aker's 2006 stats for is to argue with Brisbane when it gets down to the nitty gritty 

The reality is that 2006 has been a disaster for the Lions. If anyone thinks it is all due to Aker they are seriously deluding themselves. He is one symptom only.... albeit the most vocal.
He has to be close to the fittest and most resilient 29 year old in the game..... rarely misses games through injury or suspension.

Look at his 2005 stats compared with Pettifers this year and again note Phanto's observation

Ackers strengths are 1st possies, clearances & 1%ers, whilst Petts does better with uncontested marks & inside 50s.

PETTIFER	2006 Averages	AKERMANIS 2005 Averages
18.0	Games	21.0
17.8	Disposals	21.2
14.7	Kicks	14.2
4.6	Long Kicks	6.3
8.3	Marks	3.4
0.7	Contested Marks	0
3.1	Handballs	7.0
2.2	Tackles	6.3
1.4	Goals	1.2
1.0	Behinds	1.0
1.0	Frees For	1.2
1.6	Frees Against	1.2
0.0	Hitouts	0.0
0.6	First Possessions	3.7
0.8	Clearances	4.3
5.0	Inside 50s	6.0
1.2	Rebound 50s	1.6
1.4	Contested Possessions	1.7
16.0	Uncontested Possessions	17.9
1.7	1%ers	4.5
3.8	Errors	3.5
0.3	Bounces	1.9

The way I would compare Aker and Pettifer is this:-

Under pressure and in big games Aker lifts his own performance and that of his team mates. He is the spark which has set the Lions alight over several seasons. He backs his judgement and has the utmost confidence in his own ability. He knows what the game is all about.

Pettifer has improved considerably under Wallace, especially this year. He is suspect under pressure and lacks confidence in his own ability. He often berates himself when he stuffs up and is inclined to lose concentration and focus. This can lead to him rushing his goalkicking approach, incurring silly free kicks or even being reported.

Pettifer would learn a tremendous amount from being in the same team as Aker.  




 

 

[Liverpool]

Hayfever, picking up 29yos is what kept us down for so long we would be mad to take either let alone both.  For what either of those guys would cost us we could get 6 rookies and I know what I would rather see.
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Spot on Billy!

Watching Michael last night...no thanks.
And Aker would be the same at Richmond as well.

Both have played at the highest level and accomplished pretty much all you can in the game, and congratulations to them.....but seeing Richmond paying either of them a "pension" next season, for heartless 'dont give a stuff' performances would definitely be a step backwards, in a period when we seem to be going forwards.

Into psychic readings too Liverpool?

So a 29 year old former Brownlow medallist who has been with the same club all his career and then has a falling out could not move interstate and make a major impact?  What did your crystal ball say about Tony Lockett then? Unfit, injury prone, trouble-maker, thug, pensioner or unprofessional?

You don't have to be Nostradamus to work out that both Michael and Aker have other motivations now.
Wearing the yellow & black and working their guts out for Premiership glory isn't it......and isn't the answer we are looking for either.

Lockett wasn't injury-prone...wasn't a running player...and more importantly, hadn't already won 3 Premierships. His hunger was still there.
But then again, maybe you were happy we got Blumfield, seeing as he brought Premiership experience, was the Bombers best player in their 2000 Grand Final win, and had played for Essendon all his career.......and how did we end up there?

 

[Hayfever]

Hayfever, picking up 29yos is what kept us down for so long we would be mad to take either let alone both.  For what either of those guys would cost us we could get 6 rookies and I know what I would rather see.
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Spot on Billy!

Watching Michael last night...no thanks.
And Aker would be the same at Richmond as well.

Both have played at the highest level and accomplished pretty much all you can in the game, and congratulations to them.....but seeing Richmond paying either of them a "pension" next season, for heartless 'dont give a stuff' performances would definitely be a step backwards, in a period when we seem to be going forwards.

Into psychic readings too Liverpool?

So a 29 year old former Brownlow medallist who has been with the same club all his career and then has a falling out could not move interstate and make a major impact?  What did your crystal ball say about Tony Lockett then? Unfit, injury prone, trouble-maker, thug, pensioner or unprofessional?

You don't have to be Nostradamus to work out that both Michael and Aker have other motivations now.
Wearing the yellow & black and working their guts out for Premiership glory isn't it......and isn't the answer we are looking for either.

Lockett wasn't injury-prone...wasn't a running player...and more importantly, hadn't already won 3 Premierships. His hunger was still there. 

  :hihi :hihi :hihi

Not injury-prone, not always in trouble with the judiciary, not fed up with his club heirachy?

You are deadset joking Liverpool.

Also, just because someone has won premierships before does not necessarily mean they dont want another one. 

 

[Tigers of Old]

Michael in Lions standoff
20 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Jim Wilson

THE Brisbane Lions are bracing for more pain, with Mal Michael on the verge of quitting the club and returning to Melbourne.

Michael will meet his manager Michael Quinlan next week to discuss his options, while the Lions last night refused to discuss the defender's future.

Michael wants to increase his role in community and charity projects in his native Papua New Guinea next year.

The Lions are not keen on Michael's request to scale back his training obligations, prompting the triple-premiership star to look at his options.

He is contracted for one more year with Brisbane and has also mentioned Sydney as a possible option, or retirement if he cannot juggle football and business interests.

As Michael's future remains undecided, the Lions are yet to re-sign forward Daniel Bradshaw, who has attracted interest from several Melbourne clubs.

His manager met Lions officials last week to discuss a possible new deal for the 27-year-old, who kicked 59 goals this year.

The rest of this article can be found here
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20443617%255E19742,00.html