Improving the National Draft

[TOT70]

Pretty straight forward IMO: Set the draft order as at the ladder after round 15 when all teams have played each other once. The ladder barely moves after that anyway. Prizemoney is then paid in decreasing value from premiers to wooden spooners still giving incentive to finish higher up the ladder -plus also the incentive of finishing the year strongly to help memberships etc the year after.

May require some tweaking with the priority situation or perhaps do away with priority picks completely.

This makes a lot of sense. Most teams are still mathematically in with a chance by this stage of the season-maybe one or two have fallen away. With the draft order set in concrete, everyone can concentrate on winning games, which is what they should be thinking about anyway.

What about priority picks though?

Personally, I think that the AFL should allocate priority picks on a needs basis and do so completely completely out of the system.

For example, based on Richmond's terrible record over the last 25 years, the AFL should allocate Richmond the first three picks at the end of this season, and maybe the first two next year, no trades allowed on those picks.

That should address the imbalance, then they can work on the next basket case. In 20 years time when Carlton reach the quarter century of mediocrity, then they should do the same for them. Ereryone else has done well enough recently to not warrant and PPs.

That's just my opinion.

 

[skybeau]

Do away with the draft system completely.

Put all the potential draftees in the middle of the MCG, have 16 tables set up for each club, then make it a footrace. Once a club has 6 signatures, they can't take any more.

Once this is done, get all the missed players back, bring in all the potential rookies and do it all again!

Or maybe even a scavenger hunt through the city...where hopefuls have to solve a series of clues related directly to their club of choice (with no outside help, so that clubs can't "influence" their choice of draftee), ultimately leading them to an afore-mentioned table where they can sign up! Make a TV event out of it, with commentators and the like...see what tactics people use, whether they change their club of choice if the clues are too hard etc. And instead of the draft, call it Search For An AFL Footballer!

But yeah, do away with priority picks.

 

[jb03]

Lose priority picks from the equation and then have the bottom eight sides playing for first draft pick - so whoever ends up ninth gets pick 1 and so on down to 16th who gets pick 8. No incentive at all to tankity tank.

Teams who can't make the finals will still (theoretically) be putting in everything to try to advance as far as possible upwards within the bottom 8, and it's unlikely anybody within the top 8 will try to tank for a draft pick in preference to finals.

Ms Tantie.
xox

This will never work Mrs T because the team that finishes ninth is in far less need of pick one than the team that finishes last. This year, you could be advocating giving Sydney pick one and Richmond pick 8.

 

[pahoffm]

How about changing the Priority system to occur in the PSD rather than the ND?

 

[TOT70]

How about changing the Priority system to occur in the PSD rather than the ND?

So bottom clubs get two free hits at uncontracted players, like Sydney did when they poached Maxfield and Kevin Dyson from Melb? That would put some urgency on clubs stitching up their contracts, but that is about it. The last few PSDs haven't exactly seen stars using this method to move around.

Free agency would help this along.

 

[the claw]

I like the idea, but what happens to the prize money? Given the salary cap, it either goes back into the club somehow or into the board's pocket. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but can you blame me?

It can be spent anyway they want. From getting a better social club to refitting the gym to paying for the players end of season trip. Hell, the AFL could also say that 50% of the end of year money can be given to the players and it'll be excluded from the Salary Cap. Money talks and I reckon it would nullify any thought of tanking. A dollar in the hand is worth more then a speculative draft pick.

is a dollar in hand worth more. what if that speculative early pick turns out to be a carey. its a vicious circle to build a succesful list you need early picks. if you build a successful list you wont have to worry about prizemoney, the rewards will come with the success.

this is what pisses me of about supporters they are always undervaluing the worth of early picks when the only real way of building a top 4 list is with early picks. early draft picks are without a doubt far more important than a dollar in the hand.

 

[Baloo]

The pick could be Carey or it could be Anthony Banik. Cash in hand is a surety and can be used to better develop the kids already at the club or picked up in the system. $500,000 will buy you more than one skills coach looking after kids or a few more talent spotters.

 

[cagedtiger]

No lottery and no priority picks.

Just pick them in reverse ladder order and go from there.

History has shown that there is rarely much of a difference across the top few picks, with good players to be found everywhere, so a simple draft should alleviate the problem of tanking.

Let's face it, whilst Kreuzer looks like a very good player, any of the top 4-5 picks would be very handy for us in the long-term without having to finish on the bottom.

I'm with this one in a practical sense.

More radical approach would be just pick them in order of where you finished on the ladder (before finals) - a reward for consistent performance during the full H&A season. 1st has 1st pick, 2nd has 2nd etc. That would instill a winner takes all behaviour in the league that would be very exciting. Coaches and their support network around them would be brought to the forefront for the whole of the season - none of this 'we are playing the youngsters' rubbish excuses at the end of the season. Of course the potential down side is the strong get stronger and the weak get weaker.

 

[the claw]

The pick could be Carey or it could be Anthony Banik. Cash in hand is a surety and can be used to better develop the kids already at the club or picked up in the system. $500,000 will buy you more than one skills coach looking after kids or a few more talent spotters.

as i said always undervaluing the worth of early picks and what they can ultimately do for your club. the only off field area this club needs to channel money is recruiting and it should not have to rely on prize money to fund it. become successful and the sponsors dollars will flow. dont become successful and you will forever be reling on hand outs prize money to fund your club. how much money do you think the afl will hand out for the wooden spooners anyway 500 000 you have to be kidding.

 

[cagedtiger]

Do away with the draft system completely.

Put all the potential draftees in the middle of the MCG, have 16 tables set up for each club, then make it a footrace. Once a club has 6 signatures, they can't take any more.

Once this is done, get all the missed players back, bring in all the potential rookies and do it all again!

Or maybe even a scavenger hunt through the city...where hopefuls have to solve a series of clues related directly to their club of choice (with no outside help, so that clubs can't "influence" their choice of draftee), ultimately leading them to an afore-mentioned table where they can sign up! Make a TV event out of it, with commentators and the like...see what tactics people use, whether they change their club of choice if the clues are too hard etc. And instead of the draft, call it Search For An AFL Footballer!

But yeah, do away with priority picks.

No, no, stick with the foot race one - genius!

The current drafting process is like a scavenger hunt now where the bottom feeders are after that prized morsel so I would skip that one.

 

[jackfrost]

Free agency would help this along.
[/quote] from TOT70



Be careful what you wish for Mate , if you think " The Game" is changing for the Worse now.................Wait till this comes into our Game , your head will spin.

Goodbye Loyality , a 200 Gamer for the same Club will be Non-existent.

Hello Greed and Parasite Agent's.

Sorry , off-topic I realize , but those Two Words scare the Sh!t outta me.

 

[TOT70]

Free agency would help this along.

from TOT70



Be careful what you wish for Mate , if you think " The Game" is changing for the Worse now.................Wait till this comes into our Game , your head will spin.

Goodbye Loyality , a 200 Gamer for the same Club will be Non-existent.

Hello Greed and Parasite Agent's.

Sorry , off-topic I realize , but those Two Words scare the Sh!t outta me.


[/quote]

Not wishing for it, believe me. It has the potential to destroy any success we get out of our rebuild-if it ever happens. The rich clubs will destroy the competition if this comes in.

 

[Baloo]

as i said always undervaluing the worth of early picks and what they can ultimately do for your club. the only off field area this club needs to channel money is recruiting and it should not have to rely on prize money to fund it. become successful and the sponsors dollars will flow. dont become successful and you will forever be reling on hand outs prize money to fund your club. how much money do you think the afl will hand out for the wooden spooners anyway 500 000 you have to be kidding.

Not sure where I said a spooner will get half a mill. But 200k increments upwards from the bottom would make tanking less appealing, which is what this thread is about. It's not about the value, perceived or otherwise, of early picks. For every star you show me who went in the top 5, I reckon I could show you a comprable player that went 10+.

But again, this thread is about trying to make tanking less appealing. If you want to beat your well worn drum about the early draft picks, pick one of the thousands of draft threads.

 

[Ms Tantie]

Lose priority picks from the equation and then have the bottom eight sides playing for first draft pick - so whoever ends up ninth gets pick 1 and so on down to 16th who gets pick 8. No incentive at all to tankity tank.

Teams who can't make the finals will still (theoretically) be putting in everything to try to advance as far as possible upwards within the bottom 8, and it's unlikely anybody within the top 8 will try to tank for a draft pick in preference to finals.

Ms Tantie.
xox

This will never work Mrs T because the team that finishes ninth is in far less need of pick one than the team that finishes last. This year, you could be advocating giving Sydney pick one and Richmond pick 8.

Perhaps JB, however whilst first pick seems to be viewed as a holy grail by the majority, I'm not sure that history proves it really is. So, have a "secondary premiership" race like I've outlined and you can be certain that teams will be fighting tooth and nail ALL YEAR to get as high as they can to attain that holy grail - or, heaven forbid, maybe even scrape the eight at the last minute. Take away the advantages of being rubbish and it may prove the inspiration needed to actually get it together on field.

Just my thoughts, naturally. :angel:

Ms Tantie.
xox

 

[Harry]

Geez Ms Tantie, doesn't the little guy in the tiger jumper ever fight back?

 

[Ms Tantie]

Geez Ms Tantie, doesn't the little guy in the tiger jumper ever fight back?

It's equal opportunity smacking (What a shame real life hasn't been like that this year. :-\) if you look at it closely and don't go mad in the process Harry.

Originally I had the Tiger on the left, but the sash didn't look as good.


Ms Tantie.
xox

 

[TIGERARMY67]

Lose priority picks from the equation and then have the bottom eight sides playing for first draft pick - so whoever ends up ninth gets pick 1 and so on down to 16th who gets pick 8. No incentive at all to tankity tank.

Teams who can't make the finals will still (theoretically) be putting in everything to try to advance as far as possible upwards within the bottom 8, and it's unlikely anybody within the top 8 will try to tank for a draft pick in preference to finals.

Ms Tantie.
xox

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