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Individual skills development in our players

bigbazza

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Feb 24, 2008
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Contrary to many fellow supporters I believe the majority of our Tiger players possess excellent ball getting skills and have the courage to win the hard ball. What they then do with the football is the constant source of frustration. Many have poor disposal or handballing or marking skills that do not improve over time.
At the beginning of 2007 on" Footy Classified" our CEO told us that we had a plan, yet we finish at the bottom of the ladder making the same frustrating skill errors. Its important for us to have a game plan, but with our high number of skill errors each week, impossible to execute any plan. One notable exception would be Joel Bowden who consistently delivers the ball up the field with pin point precision.

How do we deal with this problem? Answer: On an individual player basis. Here we take a leaf out of the AFL umpires book. In every single AFL match every decision, bounce, action taken, taken by each of the three officiating umpires is recorded, added up and reviewed immediately after each match and a poor performance usually results in a trip to the VFL. At the end of each season an A4 size printout totalling their strengths and weaknesses for the season is sent to each umpire to reflect upon in the off season. You can argue that this approach hasn't worked well with the umpires but at least they are called to account for their mistakes.

Our players MUST be made more accountable for the errors they make during each match. Every skill error a player makes in the course of a match should be recorded, tallied and conveyed to the player in an after match briefing. Specialist coaches should beindividually working on kicking, marking, handballing with those players that the stats show need individual skill development. I fear the egoes of some players, particularly senior players who have exhibited poor skills over several seasons without improvement, would not take too kindly to being taken aside to work one on one with a skills coach. There is no disgrace in being out manouvered by your opponent in a contest but that is not what we are referring to here!

Skills development in groups is also important to overall teamwork and game plans, but improvement must begin with individual skills. There are those that will suggest that you can't teach skill development, either you've got them or you don't and that is rubbish! What a cop out.

A final word to all the coaches at Richmond: If you don't address the skill errors our players make each week, particularly in marking, kicking and delivery then our presence in the final eight will not occur for many years hence.

The great years of the late sixties, early seventies and eighties continue to sustain me, but there is not a lot on offer at the moment to encourage the tackers of today to choose the Tigers over the many more successful teams.
Bigbazza
 
bigbazza said:
How do we deal with this problem? Answer: On an individual player basis. Here we take a leaf out of the AFL umpires book. In every single AFL match every decision, bounce, action taken, taken by each of the three officiating umpires is recorded, added up and reviewed immediately after each match and a poor performance usually results in a trip to the VFL. At the end of each season an A4 size printout totalling their strengths and weaknesses for the season is sent to each umpire to reflect upon in the off season. You can argue that this approach hasn't worked well with the umpires but at least they are called to account for their mistakes.
Yeah......and because the umpires are dealt with on an individual basis they never make mistakes....please. Umpiring is an individual sport, based on interpretation. Totally different scenario to footballers. IMO most of our players have sound foot skills and hand skills. The problem is our ability to handle pressure, the pressure, both physical and inferred, builds and the skill levels drop. This is due to us not having any game plan what so ever, and if we do have a game plan, the players simply don't execute it, and worst of all we have a forward line full of players who don't do enough when the ball is going the other way.
 
Good post Bazza. Welcome aboard. It is hoped that the players are told when they make a mistake and how to improve. One wonders though!
 
Well said Big Bazza.

Like you I believe that careful analysis of errors can be be most beneficial. We only learn from our mistakes, so coaches need to focus on each player's weaknesses and make sure that each player is fully aware of how he might improve.

I know it's easier said than done!
 
Welcome to PRE bigbazza :)


pharace said:
"Player Reels" are done weekly in all clubs.

Yep our players are shown their high and lowlights in a weekly review but I can see where bb is coming from with it being done on a larger scale. Weekly "reels" might tell a story if they are used for an end of season analysis and give the players something individually to work on over summer. Maybe we do this already, I wouldn't have a clue.

I don't really buy the fact our players are unskilled. They were drafted for a reason and you'd assume their assets outweighed any disabilities. You have to wonder then why so many look unskilled, miss targets etc. Is it confusion with our game plan, fear of stuffing up, nobody presenting to deliver to, lack of confidence?

I don't know the answer but I have observed when we're travelling well and the players are enjoying themselves they certainly look a lot more skillful than when they're getting flogged week after week.

I posted a while ago that someone involved told me that our skills looked good at training but fell to pieces as soon as we played our intra-club praccy games.
 
you ask how do we deal with players who cant mark kick or deliver the ball. get rid of them they will more than likely find it impossible to improve their skills and draft players who can actually kick a ball properly.
as for your assertion that we have plenty of ball winners i couldnt disagree more.we have few but we do have plenty of glass half full types lets justget our hands on players who meet most cof the criteria. you know well rounded players.
 
rosy23 said:
Welcome to PRE bigbazza :)


Yep our players are shown their high and lowlights in a weekly review but I can see where bb is coming from with it being done on a larger scale. Weekly "reels" might tell a story if they are used for an end of season analysis and give the players something individually to work on over summer. Maybe we do this already, I wouldn't have a clue.

I don't really buy the fact our players are unskilled. They were drafted for a reason and you'd assume their assets outweighed any disabilities. You have to wonder then why so many look unskilled, miss targets etc. Is it confusion with our game plan, fear of stuffing up, nobody presenting to deliver to, lack of confidence?

I don't know the answer but I have observed when we're travelling well and the players are enjoying themselves they certainly look a lot more skillful than when they're getting flogged week after week.

I posted a while ago that someone involved told me that our skills looked good at training but fell to pieces as soon as we played our intra-club praccy games.

I agree 100% Rosy.

I don't believe our players are completely unskilled like people say they are. I believe it's a lack of structure and a lack of game plan problem. I don't believe Wallace has put in place simulated match play scenarios that the players understand. Do this in this situation and do that in that situation, put these structures in place and enforce them. I believe our players are just left to make it up as you go playing tempo football which results in constant turnovers. You can tell the are no game rules when they look so puzzled and indecisive and then run around in circles after they have tried to play on not knowing where to go. The oohs and the arhs from the crowd tell the story. Are they all just dumb footballers? Again I don't think so!

Our players are clueless on game day because our Coach in particular and his assistant coaches are clueless leaders. Until we replace our coach with structured coach like Malthouse or Mathews etc we will continue to flounder. Doggies supporters are always telling me that they thought Wallace was over rated. We are now paying this man a truck load of money (more then we can afford) to bring success to this struggling club but he has brought us more embarrassment then any other Richmond coach of the past imho. We are now the laughing stock of the AFL and I'm sick of it.

I know it's only early in the pre season but I feel that we are at a crucial point in our clubs future. Just the other day I found out the my brother in law had changed clubs from Richmond to Geelong and his son was now a Geelong supporter. I asked him why would you do that you've barracked for the Tiger your whole life, he replied "I'm sick of the the way they play, I just can't watch them anymore". In his defense he now lives in Geelong but I'm still disappointed about the fact he has given up on the club. Realistically however could you blame him? We are in danger of losing a generation of young Tigers supporters who will get sick of being a laughing stock.


Friday's performance was very important for the future of the club in terms of membership, pride, credibility, and honor. Our team yet again put in an embarrassing performance and damaged this proud club. Wallace and Miller will make their arrogant remarks and some Pre posters like Wrighty will be critical of this post I'm sure. Think what you like I don't care because the rest of the football world agrees with my newly back to the dark side opinion.

Forget the Richmond coach sacking mistakes of the past, Terry needs to turn us around quickly or he has to be shown the door!


It could get ugly by about round 10
 
rosy23 said:
I don't really buy the fact our players are unskilled. They were drafted for a reason and you'd assume their assets outweighed any disabilities. You have to wonder then why so many look unskilled, miss targets etc. Is it confusion with our game plan, fear of stuffing up, nobody presenting to deliver to, lack of confidence?

IMHO its because of pressure, they can't execute skillfully under pressure. Now one would expect the coaching to work on this but according to Phanto's report from the Family Day we are doing the opposite, doing pre-season training under conditions without competitive pressure to minimise injuries.
 
rosy23 said:
I don't really buy the fact our players are unskilled. They were drafted for a reason and you'd assume their assets outweighed any disabilities. You have to wonder then why so many look unskilled, miss targets etc. Is it confusion with our game plan, fear of stuffing up, nobody presenting to deliver to, lack of confidence?

Yeh, I agree with you Rosy.

That StKilda game, they made as many turnover errors as we did.
But their turnover errors didn't hurt them as badly.

Why?
1. They played numbers in and behind the ball.
2. They were constantly backing up for each other.
3. They played long and direct to a target.

In each of these cases, when errors occur, they don't hurt as bad.

To me the fault lies in our tactics, the boys have always looked better when they've played under the 3 principles listed above. Unfortunately, they don't do it often enough.

I'm told by a few Essendon fans, over the last fortnight, that Knighter has got them playing their best footy in years.
 
crackertiger said:
I don't believe our players are completely unskilled like people say they are. I believe it's a lack of structure and a lack of game plan problem. I don't believe Wallace has put in place simulated match play scenarios that the players understand. Do this in this situation and do that in that situation, put these structures in place and enforce them.

Phantom said:
I'm told by a few Essendon fans, over the last fortnight, that Knighter has got them playing their best footy in years.

Think there was an interview with one of the Essendon players after their game where he said that it was good that Knighter was telling players (particularly forwards) where to move to and everybody knew what their job was and where they and everybody else was going. hmmm
 
the claw said:
you ask how do we deal with players who cant mark kick or deliver the ball. get rid of them they will more than likely find it impossible to improve their skills and draft players who can actually kick a ball properly.
as for your assertion that we have plenty of ball winners i couldnt disagree more.we have few but we do have plenty of glass half full types lets justget our hands on players who meet most cof the criteria. you know well rounded players.


Yeah spot on Claw, plenty of ball winners...... :hihi

I Disagree too, we don't have alot of skill, we need guys who can kick and deliver the ball.

As for others who suggest our structure is wrong... :hihi

how come Tivendale can't hit a target? Is it a skill error or wrong structure.

Teams that finish last are there for a reason.
 
We are the best skilled team when playing kick to kick. Those spearing drop punts to the chest of a team mate are a sight to behold.
 
the claw said:
you ask how do we deal with players who cant mark kick or deliver the ball. get rid of them they will more than likely find it impossible to improve their skills and draft players who can actually kick a ball properly.
as for your assertion that we have plenty of ball winners i couldnt disagree more.we have few but we do have plenty of glass half full types lets justget our hands on players who meet most cof the criteria. you know well rounded players.

Golly, I'm so surprised by Claw's response. Totally unpredictable and out of left field. Who would have thought etc etc etc