INJURY LIST 14/4/09

[GoodOne]

Macleod, Goodes: both pretty consistent!

Macleod was pretty consistent in his hey day, would argue Goodes, he has been for most of his career quite inconsistent in my opinion. Consistency wise how would they compare to say Ablett and Judd?

 

[Liverpool]

Wasn't me thats for sure. That leads me to a question. Over the last 10 years if we were to pick the best 5 players in the AFL would an Aboriginal be in the top 5? I tend to think that many are very gifted but most tend to be very flashy as well, not alot of consistency in their games.

I think McLeod would be the one that stands out.....and he's in a position that suits his style and where he can use his skills to the team's benefit

Wanganeen was prety good.....another half-back player.

Like you, I think they are flashy (which can be great) but inconsistent....so you have to find a position somewhere that allows them to be consistent and showcase their skills.
Half-back seems to be their better position....and maybe something not only we can (should) look at with Bling but North can look at with Wells.

 

[Djevv]

Macleod was pretty consistent in his hey day, would argue Goodes, he has been for most of his career quite inconsistent in my opinion. Consistency wise how would they compare to say Ablett and Judd?

Both of these guys have better individual honours than either Judd or Ablett:

Macleod: 2 x premiership medals and 2 Norm Smiths 3 time Adelaide B&F player
Goodes: AFL rising star 1999, 1 premiership medal, two Brownlows and 2 Sydney BnFs. Not bad for an 'inconsistent' player :hihi.

There are lots of other consistent indig players in the league as well:
Burgoynes bros
Wirrapanda
Johncock are probably the best of them at present.

 

[mopsy fraser]

The inside word, and i won't say who from but.......

Cotch is a big chance to play this week.

Interestingly, this same person said that there were very big wraps on Coughlan's game on Sunday which surprised me from the reports on here and what i heard by 'streaming radion' before it cut out. From what i was told, there's little doubt Cogs will be selected this week. Apparently he was doing a lot of stuff that went unnoticed and was considered our most effective player in the game.

i`d prefer cotchin to play 5 minutes a quarter than edwards play a full game.
just sit cotch in a forward pocket and his footy smarts will mean he`ll do a few useful things.

 

[GoodOne]

Both of these guys have better individual honours than either Judd or Ablett:

Macleod: 2 x premiership medals and 2 Norm Smiths 3 time Adelaide B&F player
Goodes: AFL rising star 1999, 1 premiership medal, two Brownlows and 2 Sydney BnFs. Not bad for an 'inconsistent' player :hihi.

There are lots of other consistent indig players in the league as well:
Burgoynes bros
Wirrapanda
Johncock are probably the best of them at present.

Good points thanks. Would argue whether at the end of all their careers that the individual honours of Goodes or Macleod would be better than Judd or Ablett who have 5 or more years on thse two. Judd has a premiership, Norm Smith Medal, Brownlow Medal, 3 best and fairest awards and isnt even 26 yet. Ablett has a premiership, should have won the Brownlow last year and the year before (was short fav that year, has been voted twice most valuable player by the players) and considered by many the best player in the league.

But undoubtedly all great players. Interestingly most of the Aborignes you mentioned play predominantly off the half back flank.

Goodes interestingly over his career has never hovered much more than 20 possessions a game over a season and often quite a bit less. Compare that to Ablett who has managed 27,29and 33 so far this year over the last 3 years. And Judd 26,23,24,27 over the last 4. Obviously there's more to it than just possession counts but the midfield does attract umpires votes and Goodes has received his fair share of votes from the umpires. Just an interesting observation.

 

[Djevv]

Good points thanks. Would argue whether at the end of all their careers that the individual honours of Goodes or Macleod would be better than Judd or Ablett who have 5 or more years on thse two. Judd has a premiership, Norm Smith Medal, Brownlow Medal, 3 best and fairest awards and isnt even 26 yet. Ablett has a premiership, should have won the Brownlow last year and the year before (was short fav that year, has been voted twice most valuable player by the players) and considered by many the best player in the league.

But undoubtedly all great players. Interestingly most of the Aborignes you mentioned play predominantly off the half back flank.

Goodes interestingly over his career has never hovered much more than 20 possessions a game over a season and often quite a bit less. Compare that to Ablett who has managed 27,29and 33 so far this year over the last 3 years. And Judd 26,23,24,27 over the last 4. Obviously there's more to it than just possession counts but the midfield does attract umpires votes and Goodes has received his fair share of votes from the umpires. Just an interesting observation.

No doubting Ablett and Judd are good players and they also play in the vote attracting midfield.

Anyway just thought I could make a comparison, and IMO these two indigenous guys came out looking pretty good. Judd and Ablett are the two best players in the league at the moment so the measuring stick we are using here is the best of the best.

Actually there is another indigenous feller, tall and plays forward for the Hawks, so not a HBF, Norm Smith medallist, premiership medallion, not a bad player ...what was his name again?

 

[GoodOne]

Actually there is another indigenous feller, tall and plays forward for the Hawks, so not a HBF, Norm Smith medallist, premiership medallion, not a bad player ...what was his name again?

Ahh yes not a bad player, runs around ok

 

[Leysy Days]

Aaaaaaah....I also heard from someone that Bling was the best young Aboriginal footballer ever as well.... :-X

Just one difference Livers. Cotch earnt his wraps from his football at senior AFL level. Tambling's was from junior div 2 football.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Goodes interestingly over his career has never hovered much more than 20 possessions a game over a season and often quite a bit less. Compare that to Ablett who has managed 27,29and 33 so far this year over the last 3 years. And Judd 26,23,24,27 over the last 4.

Those stats are bin Goodesone.
Goodes isn't just a midfielder. He's the ultimate utility who can play as a KPP forward, back or in the ruck.
To suggest he hasn't been consistent is ludicrous. Ask Roos about his value to the Swans.

 

[lamb22]

Jezza,
I'm with you mate....people are calling Cotchin a "gun" and all the rest of it....he's played just over a dozen games, FFS!
I've heard it all before when we drafted Ottens....Lids...Bling...JON....they were all the white knights taking us to Premiership glory as well.
High draft picks that everyone (including on this forum) made a big deal about and looked upon as the saviours.

Sorry to disappoint people but you could throw Cotch in for the rest of the season and we'll still be sh!t as a TEAM!
One kid isn't going to turn our season around....and one kid isn't going to change a 20+ year culture....it takes mass change across the board for that to happen....not throwing a 12+ game player into the deep end.

Well you might be right Rafa, but Cotchin has played 15 games (including 2 against cats) and his ratio of wins is 60%. I'd take that over the rest of his career.

Imagine if he was fit and had a pre season.

 

[GoodOne]

Those stats are bin Goodesone.
Goodes isn't just a midfielder. He's the ultimate utility who can play as a KPP forward, back or in the ruck.
To suggest he hasn't been consistent is ludicrous. Ask Roos about his value to the Swans.

I am not questioning his value, of course you'd love to have him in your side. As I was pointing out it is interesting that the umpires give Goodes alot of votes when he isnt predominantly a midfielder. This is against the grain of where the votes usually go. I guess my inconsistency comment was based on my recent memory of his games. If you look at last year for example he had some very good games but also some shockers where he was completely missing (Schulz like stats). My comparsion of consistency was supposed to be in light of the very best 5 players in the competition over the last 10 years, not generally speaking. Are the best players considered to also be the most consistent or can an often game-winning flashy performer be classed up there. Generally speaking I've always thought of the Aboriginal players as the latter.

 

[frickenel]

The inside word, and i won't say who from but.......

Cotch is a big chance to play this week.

Interestingly, this same person said that there were very big wraps on Coughlan's game on Sunday which surprised me from the reports on here and what i heard by 'streaming radion' before it cut out. From what i was told, there's little doubt Cogs will be selected this week. Apparently he was doing a lot of stuff that went unnoticed and was considered our most effective player in the game.

Sorry to quote myself, but how accurate was i.......................not very!!!

And this came from one of Coughlan'ss team mates so it just goes to show how much the players know about what's in a selectors head! Having said that, i would have thought he'd have got the nod this week!