Ins and outs for this week

[Harry]

Blumfield will be out due to injury and I beleive Frawely will bring in Mills to replace him for the only change for this week.

In my opinion Pettifer and Rogers are not up to it. I know Rogers kept Milne quiet and kept him to 2 goals, and I know alot of tiger fans will defend him, but he makes way too many mistakes week in week out to be part of a successful team. His error in the 2nd term where he kicked accross the goals straight to a st.Kilda player is unexeptable. Also some of his kicking to the boundary line and straight to opposition players was pathetic. Newman could have done his job on Milne without the constant errors. Pettifer is really struggling and cannot do anything right.

In my ultimate tiger team at the moment I would drop these 2 for Ottens and Holland.

For this weeks game I would like to see Holland back if he is ready, or if not, I would like to see Krak or McGrath, adding a bit more flair into the team. This won't happen and I expect to see Mills in the line up. I would prefer Hyde than Mills as he shows more hardness and explosiveness in his game.

 

[mightytiges]

With a winning side I doubt many, if any, unforced changes will be made to the 22. Coburg having a bye last week didn't do anyone outside the senior team any favours. Dutchy and dragga won't be in line for Richmond selection for at least another 3 weeks. You could be right Harry about Mills coming in for Blumfield but I would rather go for Krakouer as he can give us another option in the midfield.

With Hawthorn, their greatest threat to us will come from the midfield so Rogers won't be asked to play back-pocket this week although he did a great job keeping Milne under wraps. More likely to get the job on Crawford if we tag him so he's suspect disposal won't be as costly as it was on a quite a few occasions against St Kilda.

Pettifer should be played on the wing where he can run onto the ball and towards goal and given a quarter or more to prove himself. He's not a small forward so if we're not going to play him upfield then he might as well go back to Coburg to get game time instead of being on and off the ground every 5-10 minutes. If Blumfield wasn't injured he may have been dropped this week but I have a feeling he'll stay in the side.

 

[iLoVeNeWmAn]

Couldn't agree with you more Harry - whatever the case or whoever comes in, Rogers and Pettifer, or the goose and the gander, must go!

Rogers again, way to many mistakes. Against the likes of Adelaide, Brisbane or Collingwood, those mistakes may well have been the turning point and we'd be sitting 2 - 2 at the moment.

Bring in McGrath and Krak, or even Draga and Shultz - anyone for those 2 monkies have gotta be better for the RFC's future.

As for Newman, you're right. Newman would have done just as well on Milne without the elementary mistakes Rogers makes week in week out. Not to mention he's half Rogers age ( note quite). But, as you said, Spud and co. will bring in McGrath and/or Vardy, the same predicatable inclusions and once again we'll have to cope with the frustration of Rogers turning the ball over after a promising foray forward and Pettifer will try but that's about all his potential enables him to do.

P.S. I Love Newman

 

[The Boss]

I disagree with dropping Rogers. He has kept the most dangerous small forward (together with Matera) goalless for 3 and a half quarters, played his best game of the season where he earned votes from sections of the media and you're asking to drop him!!! I agree Rogo's disposal is not great (it infuriates me at times!!)and he made a costly error in the 2nd term that cost us a goal. However there is no player in the twos that plays a similar game to him to replace him. He is our tagger who has generally been playing on the oppositions playmaker. Who in the twos can take over this role??? King, Hyde and Bidders aren't up to it, McGrath and Krak aren't that type of player. The simple answer is that we don't have that type of player and Rogo will continue to get a game until someone puts there hand up. Newman could fill that role but i would hate to see the kid play in the midfield on players like Crawford, McLeod, Voss etc and get killed. Maybe in a couple of years but the kid is developing nicely playing in the backline at the moment. To tag a midfielder in todays game requires a couple of players to play on him during the course of the game. This week I expect both Rogo and Fleming to play on Crawford.

In relation to this weeks changes I'm a little concerned about the Dorks height up forward. Thompson will more then likely return and although he will be underdone after only playing 10 minutes per quarter for Box Hill last week, he will take a tall to play on him (possibly Kellaway) and with Rawlings playing forward (possibly Gaspar will play on him) who will play on Everitt when he goes forward and Loats plays Ruck? Do we play Hall on him (Hall worries me down back) or do we bring in Vardy (he worries me anywhere that he plays but we might not have a choice this week). I expect this weeks change to come from Vardy, Mills or King. I also expect that Pettifer will get more time on the ground this week due to the 5 day break there will be plenty of midfield rotations.

 

[The Boss]

I disagree with dropping Rogers. He has kept the most dangerous small forward (together with Matera) goalless for 3 and a half quarters, played his best game of the season where he earned votes from sections of the media and you're asking to drop him!!! I agree Rogo's disposal is not great (it infuriates me at times!!)and he made a costly error in the 2nd term that cost us a goal. However there is no player in the twos that plays a similar game to him to replace him. He is our tagger who has generally been playing on the oppositions playmaker. Who in the twos can take over this role??? King, Hyde and Bidders aren't up to it, McGrath and Krak aren't that type of player. The simple answer is that we don't have that type of player and Rogo will continue to get a game until someone puts there hand up. Newman could fill that role but i would hate to see the kid play in the midfield on players like Crawford, McLeod, Voss etc and get killed. Maybe in a couple of years but the kid is developing nicely playing in the backline at the moment. To tag a midfielder in todays game requires a couple of players to play on him during the course of the game. This week I expect both Rogo and Fleming to play on Crawford.

In relation to this weeks changes I'm a little concerned about the Dorks height up forward. Thompson will more then likely return and although he will be underdone after only playing 10 minutes per quarter for Box Hill last week, he will take a tall to play on him (possibly Kellaway) and with Rawlings playing forward (possibly Gaspar will play on him) who will play on Everitt when he goes forward and Loats plays Ruck? Do we play Hall on him (Hall worries me down back) or do we bring in Vardy (he worries me anywhere that he plays but we might not have a choice this week). I expect this weeks change to come from Vardy, Mills or King. I also expect that Pettifer will get more time on the ground this week due to the 5 day break there will be plenty of midfield rotations.

 

[The Boss]

Sorry about the double post!!!

 

[shawry]

You guys are way too harsh on Rogers and Pettifer. Pettifer needs game time for extended periods on a wing. Rogers is a veteran with a lot of experience whose disposal is average but not all that bad really. I am a big fan of his and i think he deserves his spot in the side. who do yo ubring in for him anyway?

 

[Tigerdog]

I know I sound like a broken record on this one but play him Forward when he isn't being used as a tagger and there goes everyone's concerns on his disposal. In the forward line he would be just another Tiger kicking points (so he wouldn't stand out). Didn't he kick quite a few goals out of the forward line a few years ago?
Also agree with Shawry that if Pettiffer is going to be played in the 1's then give him some decent game time, its worked wonders for Newman Cogs and Rodan and they are the blokes we all rave about. But they are also the guys who have been given the most game time. If that is because of the way they train or performed in the 2's, then of course they deserved it but it actually hinders a guys development to only play 10 or 15 minutes of a gamr for 1, 2 or 3 games and then be put back into Coburg. So either drop Pettifer to Coburg and really make him earn his spot in the 1's or give the bloke some decent game time in a set position. Then if he doesn't grasp his chance or show a bit drop him back to Coburg.

 

[Rosy]

That's a joke about Rogo being dropped, right?

I'd like someome to convince me about Pettifer.

If he's not suited to a forward role what is he suited to?

He hasn't shown any special skills, stamina or pace to hold down a wing position. We have guys more suited to play the wings.

Not only that he runs away from a contest rather than tries to create something. He is very timid, and prefers to stage for frees rather than earn a kick the hard way.

Do people think Kayne should play on a wing as our best option for the team, or just cos he's been useless as tits on a bull elsewhere. I would think the team should be picked with the best available player for each position.

How does he get approx 20 games (can't be bothered checking) with an average posession tally you could count on one hand.....not including the thumb either.

How can he be rewarded for such little result at Coburg... when he went back last year and his game this year he was very ordinary....when players like Hyde and Mills etc get named in the best yet still never get much of a crack at seniors.

I'd like to see some other young kids get the time Kayne has.

He's a kid touching the ball a few times a week. How can that possibly develop him as a player for the future?

My feeling is the club is persevering because they stuffed up picking a fringe playing forward with a top 10 pick. That kind of player are pretty common and only warrant a later pick.

Kayne got about an hours game time last week and could only scrape up 2 touches. Get him back to Coburg for a few full games and only bring him back when he dominates.
He's got to learn to earn a spot, not be an automatic selection.

That might be the making of him as a player or signal the end of his career.

 

[Harry]

Dropping Rogers is no joke. He is way too vunerable under pressure and we need 22 players who can make the right decisions constantly under intense pressure. As Ilovenewman said if it were against brisbane or collingwood then his costly mistakes would have been just that - COSTLY.. Yes I know rogers is a battler, has been around for a while, puts his heart on his sleeve, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda, but HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. I would much rather Dunc in the team than Rogers, and thats saying something.

Who else plays a similar game to rogers? No-one, as there is no-one in the team as bad as him. Zantuck, Newman, Fleming, Dunc would be better choices as run with players than rogers. Anyway Milne made alot of errors, and rogers rarely beats his opponent when he's assigned a tagging role.

We are currently blooding in good young players who are showing that they can make the right decision under pressure. Lets perservere with this policy and trim off players that make error after error.

I agree with Tigerdog, if we really have to have rogers in the team at least play him up forward.

As for Pettifer I agree with Rosy, he has had his opportunities and has shown nothing. He constantly looks for the umpires after a contest hoping for a free kick. Hyde has shown more in his limited opportunities than what Pettifer has.

 

[Rosy]

Dropping Rogers is no joke.

I missed the bit when you said Rogers would be dropped for your ultimate Tigers team Harry.
I thought you meant this week and I can't see that happening.

 

[iLoVeNeWmAn]

All you people who "can't believe we're talking about dropping Rogers" have exactly the same mentality of Dudley Frawley. Just because Rogers has been a Tiger for years and gives his all, it doesn't mean he deserves his place in the side!

With that mentality, the club will go no where, good young talent will be wasted and eventually lost and players like Rogers will be making the same errors week in, week out!

I used to be a big fan of Rogers going back to '94 '95, when the style of footy suited his game and 'ACCURATE DISPOSAL' didn't mean as much as it does now. But in this day and age, you don't see many, if any, AFL footy players who don't have composure and at least 2 or 3 different elements to their game. Unfortunately, Rogers is a battler, a decent tagger who unfortunately for us thinks the footy is a grenade with the pin pulled out - and that mentality can only disrupt what is looking like a good, 'smart' Tiger outfit.

Ask yourself one question, would Rogers get a game under a Malthouse, Mathews, Ayres, Williams, Sheedy, etc???? I think not!!!

Give McGrath a go!

P.S. I love Newman

 

[Tigerdog]

I think the Coburg players should be made to earn their spot in the seniors as long as we are travelling well.Of course this depends on expected match ups etc.. but if you can afford the luxury IMO make them earn their spot and then finally when you do give them a game let them play in one position for a long time in the game, and also for 2 consecutive weeks at minimum!

 

[TigerFurious]

Always one to get in on a bit of player bashing ;D
I thought I might just list some of the players Richmond bypassed on their way to recruiting Kayne Petiffer.

9. Kayne Petiffer

10. Jordan McMahon
12. Shaun Burgoyne
18. Daniel Kerr
20. Kayne Cornes
21. Nick Ries
23. Drew Petrie
34. Ryan Lonie
39. Adam McPhee
58. Nathan Lonie

 

[johnson2richo2003]

rogers isnt in the side for his kicking skills.he has taken over from DK as the stopper.if he does that job well enough[in which he has] then i have no complaints.
on the newman theory sure he could have played on milne however he had a far more important job last week.stopping aussie jone,s run out of half back.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Always one to get in on a bit of player bashing ;D
I thought I might just list some of the players Richmond bypassed on their way to recruiting Kayne Petiffer.

9. Kayne Petiffer

10. Jordan McMahon
12. Shaun Burgoyne
18. Daniel Kerr
20. Kayne Cornes
21. Nick Ries
23. Drew Petrie
34. Ryan Lonie
39. Adam McPhee
58. Nathan Lonie

at this stage i would say kerr would be giving us nightmares but then again so it would the other 14 clubs.

 

[The Boss]

Zantuck, Newman, Fleming, Dunc would be better choices as run with players than rogers.

Harry, In relation to your quote above:

Zantuck has not got the stamina to play in the midfield.
Dunc is slow, injury prone and can't keep up with players like Milne and Crawford.
Fleming has played 2 games (where he played half a game). I appreciate his hardness and endeavour but not sure whether his skills are any better then Rogo's.
Newman I agree could fill that position, but as i said he is developing nicely down back and still learning, I'm sure he'll move into the midfield in a couple of seasons but please not yet.

There's 5 or 6 others that i would be delisting before Rogo at seasons end. I think it 's a bit harsh asking for his asking for his axing after he's played his best game for the year.

 

[dimmauchump]

ill try and keep this as nice as possible!!!! Totally agree with harrys comments and others also!!!! Look!! YES rogers may have kept milne to 2 goals, but he had one of those bad days!!! Rogers is only worthy of playing in the forward line!!! Im not going to say hes useless and upset everyone, all im saying is if HE HAS to play, which i dont think he does, it should be in the forward line!!! Too many youngsters on our list worth a try ahead of him!!!! Havent seen much of hyde but id prefer him to get the job rogers does!!! Is quicker than him from what ive seen and has a decent left foot!!! Than you have to say well if hes going up forward why not play krakouer or mgrath etc, thus leaving no option but to drop him!!! Ill give him this, the one thing he has over those youngsters is that hes not scared to throw his body around, which may work well to create spillages in our forward line and make the defenders think twice when going for a mark!!! Ala what he did to wakelin a couple of years ago!!! Final word!!! PLAY HIM UPFRONT OR NOT AT ALL!!

 

[Harry]

Keeping Milne to 2 goals is nothing to be jumping up and down about anyway. A small forward kicking 2 goals per game has done more than whats required of him. Thats 44 goals a year. (Rogers also gave 1 away) Thats 3.

If we had Daffy, Bourke, or even Laffy still in the team people on this site would still be defending them aslo along with Rogers.

As Alan Jeans said, you are only as good as your worst player. If we persist with rogers then unfortunately we will not be up there to challenge the best (which I beleive we could).

 

[Rosy]

As Alan Jeans said, you are only as good as your worst player. If we persist with rogers then unfortunately we will not be up there to challenge the best (which I beleive we could).

Rogo is far from our worse player. He might have had a bit of a lean streak for a while last season, but seems to have lifted so far this year.
Unlike another player who has a gold card for senior selection, and is fast headed for the dubious record of having more games to his credit than posessions. ;D