International rules series.

[geoffryprettyboy]

With Kevin Shitty turning up the heat for tonights games I would expect it to be a more physical game this evening.

I just wish we don't come out of it with any major injuries.

 

[Anduril]

I'm going!
Along with an obsessive Lids fan and her bro.
Should be fun and a small dose of footy to tide me over till March.

 

[feisty tige]

If it is not too warm I will be wearing my tiger scarf. I might see a few of you there.

 

[Jexy]

Its a good event. The players enjoy participating, and the majority of footy fans enjoy watching the games. This pseudo-snobbery is getting a bit old in my opinion. Its funny to think that the people who criticise the sport in order to be individuals are essentially conforming to a set opinion anyway. Sartre called it "Bad Faith" (those endless hours of philosophy class have finally paid off! :hihi)

Sounds like an overdose of philosophy classes Jexy. ;D

Impressive as it sounds I don't understand your claim of "pseudo-snobbery" at all.

What evidence is there to suggest anybody would criticise the sport in order to be individuals and what is the "set opinion" they are conforming to?

I can take the game or leave it. I wouldn't travel 5 hours to watch it as I do to watch Richmond play. I've missed more games on telly than I've watched.

I feel no great national pride when we win.

I will probably watch when I get home tonight but that's because Lids and Newmo are playing. If they weren't I probably wouldn't even check the game out.

I'm not a pseudo-snob at all and I certainly don't think I'm conforming to any set beliefs.

I am just indifferent to the concept. Apathy board. :blah

I’m referring to the attitude that seems to perceive the game as a useless exercise or junket. The simple fact is that if both the players and the public enjoy the game, then it is worthwhile. Despite some opinions, there is no “hierarchy” in sport, and the so-called worth of each code is determined by the people who enjoy it, not those who regard it as a waste of time.

The set belief to which I refer is an observation of the way that a certain percentage of the football-going public seem to disregard the code due to its lack of “history”, the fact that we only ever play Ireland, and the compromised rule system. These criticisms are levelled at the code every year by those who see the sport as superfluous. By all means, these people are entitled to their opinions, but my gripe is that in criticising the code in this way they seem to be nothing more than killjoys suffering from echolalia.

I respect your right to be indifferent, and think that this is the most valid criticism of all. However, it is a criticism that can be levelled at any sport, even our beloved Aussie Rules.

My basic point is that there are (1) people who enjoy the game, (2) people who are indifferent to the game (justly so, including yourself), and (3) people who seem to take pride in criticising the code for the sake of being somehow individualistic or elitist.

Its is this third group of people to whom my comments were aimed.

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

If you love footy then should take some sort of enjoyment out of the hybrid game.

Even if it is very small.

I dont understand how footy lovers can outright slam the hybrid game, especially when it is being played during the off season when we are hanging out for the footy to start. ???

 

[mainlandy]

Its a good event. The players enjoy participating, and the majority of footy fans enjoy watching the games. This pseudo-snobbery is getting a bit old in my opinion. Its funny to think that the people who criticise the sport in order to be individuals are essentially conforming to a set opinion anyway. Sartre called it "Bad Faith" (those endless hours of philosophy class have finally paid off!  :hihi)

Sounds like an overdose of philosophy classes Jexy. ;D

Impressive as it sounds I don't understand your claim of "pseudo-snobbery" at all.

What evidence is there to suggest anybody would criticise the sport in order to be individuals and what is the "set opinion" they are conforming to?

I can take the game or leave it.  I wouldn't travel 5 hours to watch it as I do to watch Richmond play.  I've missed more games on telly than I've watched.

I feel no great national pride when we win.

I will probably watch when I get home tonight but that's because Lids and Newmo are playing.  If they weren't I probably wouldn't even check the game out.

I'm not a pseudo-snob at all and I certainly don't think I'm conforming to any set beliefs.

I am just indifferent to the concept.  Apathy board.  :blah

I’m referring to the attitude that seems to perceive the game as a useless exercise or junket. The simple fact is that if both the players and the public enjoy the game, then it is worthwhile. Despite some opinions, there is no “hierarchy” in sport, and the so-called worth of each code is determined by the people who enjoy it, not those who regard it as a waste of time.

The set belief to which I refer is an observation of the way that a certain percentage of the football-going public seem to disregard the code due to its lack of “history”, the fact that we only ever play Ireland, and the compromised rule system. These criticisms are levelled at the code every year by those who see the sport as superfluous. By all means, these people are entitled to their opinions, but my gripe is that in criticising the code in this way they seem to be nothing more than killjoys suffering from echolalia.

I respect your right to be indifferent, and think that this is the most valid criticism of all. However, it is a criticism that can be levelled at any sport, even our beloved Aussie Rules.

My basic point is that there are (1) people who enjoy the game, (2) people who are indifferent to the game (justly so, including yourself), and (3) people who seem to take pride in criticising the code for the sake of being somehow individualistic or elitist.

Its is this third group of people to whom my comments were aimed.

Jexy, I seriously do not understand what you are saying. All I've said in here is that I don't like the game, to me it's plain boring. Does that make me elitist? ??? If people enjoy the game good luck to them, there were plenty there tonight.

 

[Jexy]

Mainlandy, if you read my post, I clearly say that I have no problem with people who are indifferent to the game.

I respect your right to be indifferent, and think that this is the most valid criticism of all. However, it is a criticism that can be levelled at any sport, even our beloved Aussie Rules.

My basic point is that there are (1) people who enjoy the game, (2) people who are indifferent to the game (justly so, including yourself), and (3) people who seem to take pride in criticising the code for the sake of being somehow individualistic or elitist.

Its is this third group of people to whom my comments were aimed.

You have every right to find the game boring. Just like some people find Aussie Rules boring, or soccer, or any sport. I thought my post made that clear.

 

[brutus25]

Watched the game tonight and enjoyed it immensely, except for that stupid camera on the sideline that kept stuffing up.

Would have loved to have been there tonight, that way to see all the skirmishes sans editorial censorship....lol

Think its a fun concept, but still an interesting watch. Thought that Lids and Newman played well, good to see them both getting a run and using their pace

 

[mainlandy]

Mainlandy, if you read my post, I clearly say that I have no problem with people who are indifferent to the game.

I respect your right to be indifferent, and think that this is the most valid criticism of all. However, it is a criticism that can be levelled at any sport, even our beloved Aussie Rules.

My basic point is that there are (1) people who enjoy the game, (2) people who are indifferent to the game (justly so, including yourself), and (3) people who seem to take pride in criticising the code for the sake of being somehow individualistic or elitist.

Its is this third group of people to whom my comments were aimed.

You have every right to find the game boring. Just like some people find Aussie Rules boring, or soccer, or any sport. I thought my post made that clear.

Then who are the third group of people you are aiming at? Is it posters in here or the media? I just thought you were having a go at me that's all.

 

[Rosy]

My basic point is that there are (1) people who enjoy the game, (2) people who are indifferent to the game (justly so, including yourself), and (3) people who seem to take pride in criticising the code for the sake of being somehow individualistic or elitist.

Its is this third group of people to whom my comments were aimed.

I still see no evidence to support your pseudo-snobbery or elitist claims jexy. Some people just don't like the game for whatever reason. That's neither snobbery nor an attempt to be individualistic. It's just their own personal opinion.

 

[jb03]

I think Jexy is just saying (no, not you mainlandy) people say they don't like because they think that is the cool thing to say, rather than the person actually not liking it.

It's a bit like people critiisizing Funniest Home Videos, you know you shouldn't like it and tell people as such but secretly you p!ss yourself everytime you do watch it.  Something like that anyway.

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

Just got back from the game.

Very enjoyable to watch, fantastic atmosphere. 45,000 fans all united singing and chanting. Heaps of mexican waves and smiles all around.

Well done Aussies. :clap

 

[Jexy]

As I said in my previous post, the people who I disagree with are those who consider the code to have no "history" and therefore no worth, who consider the compromise in the rules to render the code irrelevant, and those who see the limited scope for opposition teams a major drawback. It seems to me that these criticisms are wheeled out this time every year as stock standard reasons for ignoring the International Rules series.

Let me say this one more time. I have no gripe with the people who simply don't enjoy watching the game.

The elitism to which I referred regards the above criticism. People seem to think that because the game is new, and the rules are changed from time to time, that the game has no worth, and doesn't deserve to be a representative national sport. In my opinion this is wrong.

I hope I have made myself clear. I apologise for my curtness, but I feel as though I'm typing the same thing out over and over again. :blah

p.s. Thank you Jb03, you are spot on with what I'm trying to say.

 

[Richmond]

Good to see Deledio play both games and be amongst the best, Newman was quiet tonight.
I don't know whether the concept will last, but it is entertaining to watch.

The Irish coach is a dead ringer for Tom Bosley!

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

Good to see Deledio play both games and be amongst the best, Newman was quiet tonight.
I don't know whether the concept will last, but it is entertaining to watch.

The Irish coach is a dead ringer for Tom Bosley!

Definately will last imo.

30,000 last week and 45,000 tonight says it all. Along with the thousands watching back in Ireland.

They will be hanging to take us on on their turf.

 

[Rosy]

In my opinion this is wrong.

I hope I have made myself clear. I apologise for my curtness,

Clearer now jexy. No need for apologies about curtness, I think the thing that's made this interesting to debate is the psychology aspect you chose to go with.

Like mainlandy I thought you were referring to posters on PRE. I've certainly never heard anyone claim they disliked the game just to go against the flow and try and be individualistic.

In your opinion they are wrong and you've laid some decent judgement/criticism on them but in other's opinions it may just be right.

The psuedo-snobbery and elitism comments could work both ways because after all we're all entitled to our own opinions.

On another note our boy Brett is a bit of a ladies man. My daughter went to the game on a VCE PhysEd excursion and Lids was generous handing out hugs to the year 11 and 12 girls. I reckon he might have got us a couple of converts by his actions. :inlove

 

[tiggytam]

I went along last night and thought it was a great nights entertainment. There was so much atmosphere, a lot of it created by the Irish I think but everybody got into the spirit of the night.

I know you shouldn't condone it but the three blokes who ran onto the ground cracked me up, especially the guy in his superhero costume.

It was great to see 45000+ plus there which just goes to show that people are interested in supporting the concept, even if it is just to watch their players (ie for me Lids and Newmo) run around on the paddock.

 

[TigersGoddess]

I was there last night with a mate and I enjoyed it. Had to laugh at the pitch envaders especially superman ;D Got the mexican wave going a couple of times can't believe how much noise it made as it was going round the ground sounded like a train going past :cutelaugh We went and stood along the boundary as the players ran around the ground after the game and got high fives from all the players. Didn't resort to asking the players to give us a kiss like the girls standing a few metres away :hihi