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Introverts and Extroverts

pokey said:
Firstly, as a Life Coach, I would like to define terms. Technically, extroverts get their energy from being in the company of others, whilst introverts get their energy from being by themselves.

The advantage of extroverts in a team sport is that they are able to bring the group together, encourage those who are struggling and rub it in to the opposition when we are going well.

Extreme AFL extrovert examples include Carey, Brereton and Jarman, whilst introvert examples include Lockett, Doull and Tuck. As you can see, champions abound in each group.

Would you prefer Glen Jakovich (Introvert) or his brother Allan (Extrovert)?

What concerns TW and many others is how much the group hurts when they lose and what they will push themselves to do to overcome adversity. Larry Bird (NBA Champion) was a shy country boy who pushed himself and his team-mates to extremes because he couldn't accept losing.

Whilst a Greg Stafford type of personality is terrific around the club, every player, whether shy or gregarious has the capacity to contribute to the collective winning will of the group. Being "shell-shocked" doesn't work, they need to clearly define what went wrong and act on the learnings, or they risk repeating the mistake.

The quietness of the group that TW talks about is a skill that can be resolved. Even those who are introverted can teach themselves to contribute to the noise on the ground and have a responsibility to do so. This starts at training and players should be dragged if they don't do it during games. Communication is an important skill, like kicking and marking, that should be punished if they don't use it well. Veterans and rookies aren't exempt from this.

My rant's over. Someone else's turn.

Nice rant. I too believe that a certain level of extrovertedness can be taught - particularly in regard to roles. Whilst a persons fundamental personality characteristics are unchangeable, recessive elements of their personality can be developed with education and training. Extremely extroverted people usually suffer from a complete lack of introspection and can be just as problematic.
 
ToraToraTora said:
Is Kreuzer a leader No.#7? Do his teamates listen to him? Does he have a voice in the team? Is he looked up to? Has he done a MQBZ test?
Well when I mean by extrovert, hes confident in himself. He basically has a huge ego, but if he tells you what to do, you do it. He dosnt necessarily have the leadership skills that we're after.
 
So Pokey,

Do have it right in saying that it is not so important whether the individual is an introvert or extrovert, but more impotantly that their major junior development may have come from a winning culture, where winning has become a part of their physical and mental make up?
 
Phantom said:
So Pokey,

Do have it right in saying that it is not so important whether the individual is an introvert or extrovert, but more impotantly that their major junior development may have come from a winning culture, where winning has become a part of their physical and mental make up?
Now that's interesting Phantom.
I'm not sure what Pokey thinks about that but I think it would have a huge bearing on a juniors psyche.
Winning breeds winners.
 
Hartbalme said:
Tough enforcer and extrovert aren't neccessarily the same thing.

Scotty Turner was quiet, but he was respected by the opposition.
Aaaahhhh the memories, the day he cleaned up O'Donnell in the '95 2nd semi and he also evened up with Grenvold for Boof's jaw, Boof had a go at Grenvold himself that day as well.
I can remember Scotty Turner cleaning up Dean Kemp one night against West Coast and I think it was that act that won the game for us, Kemp was on fire. Against Adelaide he knocked Peter Vardy out in the 1st quarter, that was my favourite. I always hated Vardy.
That was why Scotty was respected.
 
An individuals persona has nothing to do with tyhem as a footballer. I've seen the cockiest people become the biggest duds and pussies when they cross the white line. Yet a level headed bloke does the job and has heart.

A committed, passionate and devoted team will give it all. Royce Hart? Chris Judd? They arent extroverts.

I dont think this has anything to do with a footballer, I appreciate a player like Glen Archer, we havent had a player like that for years. When he crosses the white line its a different story.

I'd prefer someone with a level head who has heart. Chris Newman is that person and should be the next skipper.

And I dont like the Kruezer talk, maybe its Anthony Banik, or maybe its the fact that we are playing for a no.1 pick, but that doesnt win you flags. The saints are on the slide and look at the no.1 picks they got.
 
Phantom said:
So Pokey,

Do have it right in saying that it is not so important whether the individual is an introvert or extrovert, but more impotantly that their major junior development may have come from a winning culture, where winning has become a part of their physical and mental make up?

Phantom, there would be a few factors in a junior's development that would be significant and growing up in a winning culture is one. That's one of the reasons why the College system in America is so important. If you played for a certain school, or for a certain coach, you often have a better winning perspective.

Other issues that I would place a certain degree of importance on are work ethic, desire to improve and pliability. These are some of the aspects that many of the Irish lads seem to bring with them, which makes them successful despite not having played AFL as juniors.