the media are trying to push the barrow hoping it is unraveling, apart from this incident , there's nothing to see here
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Is our famed culture unraveling?
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Culture is a nebulous concept, and a bit of a catch-all buzzword.
Really, culture is getting the right people in the right roles to drive, set and maintain standards. With Gale, O'Neal, Hardwick and Cotchin we have that. All clubs have had issues this period, and a few of our smaller ones have been magnified due to the profile of the club and its players (e.g. Dimma's crack at Longmire, Riewoldt expressing his reservations about going into the hub etc).
Really, culture is getting the right people in the right roles to drive, set and maintain standards. With Gale, O'Neal, Hardwick and Cotchin we have that. All clubs have had issues this period, and a few of our smaller ones have been magnified due to the profile of the club and its players (e.g. Dimma's crack at Longmire, Riewoldt expressing his reservations about going into the hub etc).
All the noise is - Is their culture in tatters? Is it unravelling?......The us v the rest narrative just keeps growing for season 2020.
I have no idea.
But I will specualte that punt road is a safe haven, a home away from home, and a secure place for boys to grow into young men inspired by the clubs leaders. It is a place where the club has invested over a long period of time to develop a culture and provide support staff where the players have thrived. Programs such as mindfulness, diet, personal habits, the KGI - all have all contributed to a harmonious place that has been proven through a (relatively) squeaky clean track record over the last 10 years.
2020 and covid-lockdowns have thrown all this into disarray. The players have lost their safe place. These young men haven't been 100% immersed in punt road. The team struggled to play cohesive football in the first few rounds after the first lockdown. They have gone to Qld and, in the case of the Cotchins, thrown families into a pretty surreal environment and mistakes have been made. Then a complete breakdown on Thursday night by a couple of young guys.
Has our culture broken down? Maybe. Or maybe 2020 will solidify the group and set us up for another 10 years....
But I will specualte that punt road is a safe haven, a home away from home, and a secure place for boys to grow into young men inspired by the clubs leaders. It is a place where the club has invested over a long period of time to develop a culture and provide support staff where the players have thrived. Programs such as mindfulness, diet, personal habits, the KGI - all have all contributed to a harmonious place that has been proven through a (relatively) squeaky clean track record over the last 10 years.
2020 and covid-lockdowns have thrown all this into disarray. The players have lost their safe place. These young men haven't been 100% immersed in punt road. The team struggled to play cohesive football in the first few rounds after the first lockdown. They have gone to Qld and, in the case of the Cotchins, thrown families into a pretty surreal environment and mistakes have been made. Then a complete breakdown on Thursday night by a couple of young guys.
Has our culture broken down? Maybe. Or maybe 2020 will solidify the group and set us up for another 10 years....
Those points do add up BR. Collingwood are serial underacheivers, Hawthorn are serial overachievers, Culture. adds up
The fluctuating assments of us when we lost those close games is easily explained by headline-hunting goldfish memory media. ads up
But don't take my word for it, the hard data says you are wrong. Harvard, cambridge schcools of leadership and management. Strong organisational culture is a key to success, particularly sustained success. That is not to say every organisation with a good culture is always successful, or every organisation with a poor culture is always unsuccessful, but even in those cases if you drilled down you would find they were good or poor on other key measures, even if it wasn't the bottom line.
I agree 100% that luck plays a part, I've always believed that. And it can be a huge part, 2 good sides in a close GF, a bit of luck can the diff between ecstasy and agony.
The fluctuating assments of us when we lost those close games is easily explained by headline-hunting goldfish memory media. ads up
But don't take my word for it, the hard data says you are wrong. Harvard, cambridge schcools of leadership and management. Strong organisational culture is a key to success, particularly sustained success. That is not to say every organisation with a good culture is always successful, or every organisation with a poor culture is always unsuccessful, but even in those cases if you drilled down you would find they were good or poor on other key measures, even if it wasn't the bottom line.
I agree 100% that luck plays a part, I've always believed that. And it can be a huge part, 2 good sides in a close GF, a bit of luck can the diff between ecstasy and agony.
Proof will be in the pudding next Friday night.
Your classic statement game.
Appreciate the reply TBR, and your first hand knowledge of how clubs work. Agree to disagree on this one - I think part of it is how we define luck/culture.
According to the media it has, we are no longer humble or professional we are now officially arrogant and well ahead of ourselves, with our players acting as if they are too cool for school, above the law by breaking the rules of the Hub (they wont let Brooke Cotchin off the hook), and the much vaunted culture has evaporated into sheer arrogance.
Its almost as if the media punditry are baying for more punishment for the Tigers, they are all waiting for just one more stupid action from our group.
More Richmond success is not wanted in 2020 nor is it part of the AFL's ideal outcome.
Geez we need to STFU bunker down against the haters and detractors and take this Premiership, there is nothing surer.
All and sundry gonna be death riding the Tigers for the remainder of the season.
Hopefully this BS and flack will galvanise the team leaders and wake up the immature heads and get us on track.
Starting with a demolition of the Geesook media favourites next Friday.
Its almost as if the media punditry are baying for more punishment for the Tigers, they are all waiting for just one more stupid action from our group.
More Richmond success is not wanted in 2020 nor is it part of the AFL's ideal outcome.
Geez we need to STFU bunker down against the haters and detractors and take this Premiership, there is nothing surer.
All and sundry gonna be death riding the Tigers for the remainder of the season.
Hopefully this BS and flack will galvanise the team leaders and wake up the immature heads and get us on track.
Starting with a demolition of the Geesook media favourites next Friday.
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Ghost of Punt Road
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We've never had a famed culture.
We've has misbehaviour every year. What we have had is players who support each other.
We've has misbehaviour every year. What we have had is players who support each other.
TBH, as many of us have said here.luck definitely plays a part.
Of course, there is an element of making your own luck.
But listen to what Dimma constantly says: you control what you can control.
Luck is not something you can control. Culture is something you can at least have a fair say in. Fostering a good culture is one of the things you can control, it can be a positive especially in a team sport. You take every gain, no matter how marginal, in an elite competitive sport. In an elite level competitive team sport, culture can make a difference.
Plus, when the excrement hits the cooling device, culture can make a decisive difference in how the team responds. I think we will see that the culture holds up - doesn't mean we will win this year or even next week, hopefully does mean we put ourselves in a position to contend.
DS
Of course, there is an element of making your own luck.
But listen to what Dimma constantly says: you control what you can control.
Luck is not something you can control. Culture is something you can at least have a fair say in. Fostering a good culture is one of the things you can control, it can be a positive especially in a team sport. You take every gain, no matter how marginal, in an elite competitive sport. In an elite level competitive team sport, culture can make a difference.
Plus, when the excrement hits the cooling device, culture can make a decisive difference in how the team responds. I think we will see that the culture holds up - doesn't mean we will win this year or even next week, hopefully does mean we put ourselves in a position to contend.
DS
A lot of the key players in our newfound culture were not here this season. Rance, Ellis, Houli, Edwards - they all represented key leadership. Rance's religion background formed a strong community and ethic foundation for the club. Ellis was the leader of the working class "lads" - Baker, Short, Broad etc. Houli is an exceptional community leader, even outside of footy & Edwards played a key role in mentoring the aboriginal lads. We were going in basically rudderless this season & it showed. Iwas happy for the club to move on from Rance after his off-season soap opera, but man - i want him back more than ever. We need his calm, zen social awareness back in our system desperately
I think you are seriously underestimating the incredibly strong leadership group our club has in place. Regardless of the players who are not currently playing either through retirement, trade, injury or personal circumstances, this is a year like no other that has ever been for all players, coaches, administration, and supporters as well.
Our club and playing group has worked hard to build a strong connection that has become the envy of other clubs. Resilience, mindfulness, empathy, and gratitude are not just for the good times, they are for all times and most especially the more difficult times. Will they be happy with the current situation - absolutely not, however, the maturity of our leadership group will deal with their anger, disappointment, and feelings of frustration towards both the wayward brothers and the circumstances, swiftly and with empathy. This allows the group to move on quickly using the situation as a growth opportunity.
The unusual season/year has made for fear, paranoia, worry, and stress to accelerate and colour the behaviours of most people and as people are experiencing very human emotions the blame game comes to the fore. Heightened emotions create heightened responses, warranted or otherwise.
This is all we can do and need to do.
We win 5 more games (assuming we make and win Q/F) we have the cup simple and the rest is old news and motivation for 21 for a couple.
Our misdemeanours are getting exposure now.
Before us Hawthorn had a long golden age. And bizarrely are still in one PR wise. Before that Geelong.
Why is our golden age not more golden?
A corollary of why the *smile* is Hawthorn still in one?
Bizarrely, Hawthorn commentators in the game, Dunstall, Brereton are pro Richmond.
Before us Hawthorn had a long golden age. And bizarrely are still in one PR wise. Before that Geelong.
Why is our golden age not more golden?
A corollary of why the *smile* is Hawthorn still in one?
Bizarrely, Hawthorn commentators in the game, Dunstall, Brereton are pro Richmond.
Quick sanity check. We’ve won all our games in QLD and a winning history in the state.
We just beat WCE by 5 goals.
Stack and CCJ would have taken it upon themselves to go out whether the hub was in QLD or Punt Rd.
Cotchin’s wife going to a day spa is a normal act for her, she just didn’t understand that in relation to Covid hub restrictions. Lynch’s incidents were incredibly over played by the media judge and jury and the toilet that is social media. In fact I saw another player recently do the head push down on his opponent and there was not a word mentioned.
what I’m saying here is the club shouldn’t be suckered into this notion that it’s playing up. Incidents have no connection, there’s no average or common theme.
The Lynch incidents would happen during any season, and as stated many times on PRE occur multiple times in all games.
Cotchins wife not the smartest cookie. Can’t help that. She may have even got away with it if it wasn’t on social media.
Stack/CCJ - In 2015 Luke Hodge was suspended from playing at the time he got caught drink driving. Still won the gf. there will always be acts of ill discipline even amongst the supposedly most disciplined. Strong culture will ensure these types of incidents are swiftly dealt with and moved on from.
And think of how many breaches are going unreported. How about all the faceless AFL staff, non profile WAG’s, reserve grade players etc that could escape doing the wrong thing and probably are because no one notices their Uber etc.
As Dimma usually says we just focus on our 4 walls and what’s happening between them instead of buying into the media led condemnation.
We just beat WCE by 5 goals.
Stack and CCJ would have taken it upon themselves to go out whether the hub was in QLD or Punt Rd.
Cotchin’s wife going to a day spa is a normal act for her, she just didn’t understand that in relation to Covid hub restrictions. Lynch’s incidents were incredibly over played by the media judge and jury and the toilet that is social media. In fact I saw another player recently do the head push down on his opponent and there was not a word mentioned.
what I’m saying here is the club shouldn’t be suckered into this notion that it’s playing up. Incidents have no connection, there’s no average or common theme.
The Lynch incidents would happen during any season, and as stated many times on PRE occur multiple times in all games.
Cotchins wife not the smartest cookie. Can’t help that. She may have even got away with it if it wasn’t on social media.
Stack/CCJ - In 2015 Luke Hodge was suspended from playing at the time he got caught drink driving. Still won the gf. there will always be acts of ill discipline even amongst the supposedly most disciplined. Strong culture will ensure these types of incidents are swiftly dealt with and moved on from.
And think of how many breaches are going unreported. How about all the faceless AFL staff, non profile WAG’s, reserve grade players etc that could escape doing the wrong thing and probably are because no one notices their Uber etc.
As Dimma usually says we just focus on our 4 walls and what’s happening between them instead of buying into the media led condemnation.
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Is Balmey up there now? I read all our remaining football staff are now in quarantine up there, not sure if that includes him?
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