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Is our list good enough if they all give 100%

Rosy

Rosy

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TigerFurious' post on another thread made me think if every player on our list played as well as they can on a consistant basis we'd be a very competitive team.

Look at the difference Tivendale running the lines and bursting packs has on our team. We actually looked like a half decent team when he had the ball at times on Sunday. But then you have others especially Bowden who just don't play like they should.
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How long since Tivva's had a game like last week, or even near that standard, yet he's quite capable of it.

Joel could be a really elite player in the league but his attitude borders on casual and his posessions border on laziness. (I guess we can't say he's not consistant though ;))

If Richo could play at his best on a consistant basis we'd be better. If he presented a bit better the team would be far better. If the team delivered to him better the team would rocket up the ladder.

We have enough goal sneaks quite capable of sharking the ball and scoring in the forward line, but it doesn't happen that often.

We need players to perform at a consistant level near their best.

Wayne Campbell does it to perfection, but like Danny said, he's no Voss or McLeod. That's no insult, if every player gave the best of themself like Campbo did we'd win a heap more than we lose.

A lot of people on here post how good Pettifer is. Is this is 3rd year? Not good enough to be averaging under 4 posessions over such a long period. He's being carried really. He might be late developing like some people reckon, but he's contributing very little atm. Are we managing him properly? Other kids with his experience are in the best players for their teams.

I don't really include our backline in this. They are fairly consistant, and because of the forward and midfield failings have seen the ball a lot more than they should at times.

I think it's up to Danny to find the right mix to provide run off the half back line and create play.

Injuries are no excuse, but we'll be better when we get a few guys back.

I think we have a list to be super competitive if they all play to their potential.

The coaching panel have the responsibility to make sure they do as well. A lot of thought needs to go into the game plan, and match ups.

If we get some passion into the team, if everyone gives 100% each week and if the coaching panel can out smart other coaches, we'll finish the season off well.

I think we have the list to do it, but it's up to each of them to make it happen.

Most people who are on a massive salary would perform at their best whenever they are at work. I look forward to the day our players do that week in week out too.

Go Tiges.
 
Rosy,
I guess that those who would like to replace Danny would echo your thoughts here. Players seem to be capable. Tivendale IMO will have many more games like last week because he is a talented player- so where has he been? Pettifer underachieving... Is he really getting the opportunities and coaching he requires?
I think we have several capable players who would be better in other teams (which is to say under different coaching and administration regimes). I see Torney as an exaple of this, although i do think he was good for us also, just under utilised.
Lets hope we can extract more from our players from here on. Hate to see wasted talent.
hutstar
 
No, our list is not good enough from the captain down. All of them look a million dollars when they are playing crappy sides like the bulldogs. However, as frawleyudud mentioned on a previous post, against a classy side they are exposed. All of them have been exposed in big games, including Cambo many a time. Until the current core of senior players who have been with the club for the last 8 - 10 years are gone, we will never be any good.
I will name them:- Rodgers, Cambell, Richardson, D Kellaway, Holland, King, Bowden, Gaspar are the leftovers. When they join Benny Gale and Knights in retirement/sackings, the club will be rid of a big core of players who have the word loser stamped on there backs.
I know this may appear harsh to some ferals who like ostriches, have their heads in the sand, but our sad history for the last 10 years proves me correct. All these players are the main culprits.
 
Harsh words from diggler there but I'm reluctantly inclined to agree with him. Frawley and those before him persist with the same core group of players who have continually led us to mediocrity for years and most likely while they are still together we will get the same results. Thats not to say that they are all complete duds but as a group they just don't work. If building a better team capable of success means we have to step on a few toes and push a few players before their time then so be it. And that includes Campbell as much as anyone.

On Rosy's point about giving 100% and consistant effort is spot on. Although good teams are capable of beating other teams when they are not playing to 100% capacity, Richmond cannot do this.

And finally Petiffer. I say that as a first round pick he is a disappointment and another cross on the beck draft sheet. But he averages nearly a goal a game which is a good return and he always looks dangerous when up forward. I'd rather see frawley play him for 4 quarters or stick him back in the magoos for a while but not leave him on the bench.
 
Diggler, I realise we don't have the depth of list like some clubs because we've had to keep players due to their contracts.

I expect a good cleanout at the end of the season. A couple of the guys you mentioned might be in their last season, but the majority of our delistings won't come from that core group of players you mention.

The thing is to be aware of deficiencies in the team and try to complement them with the new players we get to the club next season.

Get some height, get some pace, get some agression, get some skill, get some leadership or whatever else the team seems to need.

Until then I still think if everyone in our top 22 gives 100% we'll be very competitive.
 
A former Collingwood president in the mid 90's said that they would never win a flag again until the ex premiership players were gone/retired. All Im saying that the same cronic unsuccessful players will never turn tigerland around.
I agree with you Rosy that this wont happen overnight and very few of the names will be all axed. We just have to be patient until a new generation of players come through.
 
diggler said:
We just have to be patient until a new generation of players come through.
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Alright, what have you done with him? Where's Diggler?

I'm a bit worried fellow Tiger supporters. Best put out an APB on Diggler, huh?

Speak to us Diggler. Say something.

I hope he's alright.
 
Kayne overall has been disappointing, but I dont think he can really be criticised for him game on Sunday.

He came on, got a few touches through the middle and got taken off, then he kicked a goal toward the end of the third quarter (i think), and started the next quarter on the bench.

He may have been disapointing at times, but he does have ability, does look dangerous up forward and aint gonna kick too many goals from the bench.

This week could be his chance to prove himself
 
I gotta disagree with alot of what has been said here.

Firstly though, let me say that even if we give 100%, we are not good enough to win a flag, and probably could only ass a top four finish.

What I disagree with though is that we have to get rid of the core players that have the word "loser" stamped on them since birth. This is not the case. What has to happen is we have to find talent which surpasses the talent of the now core players so that the now core players are't the focus anymore.

So long as Campbell is the best player at our club, we aren't going to win a flag. That's a fact. But that doesn't mean we should get rid of him or that so long as he is there we are going to be losers. If we could find some players who are better than him, and Campbell just became a lesser known at the club, then we would have a really succesfull team.

E.g. Look at Marcus Ashcroft from Brisbane. Not half the player Campbell is but still a regular fixture in the side. But not the FOCUS of the side. Further more, I'm sure diggler would call him a loser as well. But he is still needed in the team.

What's been unfortunate is that our core players haven't had any young players really step up to relegate them to the fringes. And from this point of view, sad as it is, we wont be a competitive side until the likes of Campbell and Richardson and Gaspar are gone. But this is another thing from saying that they were never good enough to be in a consistently good team. They just weren't good enough to be the core of a good team.
 
I've been patient 21 years MC24, another couple of years wont hurt ;D However, until we get a coach with balls to make sound business decisions, we are cactus!
 
I think we saw in 2001 what happens if our list plays to its potential. A flogging in the prelim final. I think it's only improved enough to get us to a 5 goal loss in the prelim final if they play to 100% capability.

As others have said, if Campbell wins another B & F this year, then we're in for another bad one. We can't go on having a bloke that doesn't make anybody's Top 50 being our best player. Campbo is a very consistent solid ball winner but he is not an elite midfielder and we won't win a flag until we have three or four elite midfielders in the side. Johnson could be one, Coughlan is on the right track to be another, so we need to find/grow at least one more to get that up to scratch.

I agree Rosy, I'm expecting a fairly good clean out in October, plus some retirements, a focus on drafting young talent only, and another 2 or 3 years of rebuilding before we become seriously competitive again. This is one thing I agree with TigerFurious on - we have to decide whether we are rebuilding or trying to win a flag, and with Miller there, I'm pretty sure we'll be looking at rebuilding at the end of this season. So expect some familiar names to go: King, Vardy, Rogers, Biddiscombe, D Kellaway (retire?) plus some trades - Mills, Hyde, the usual suspects that all of us mention.

I'm sure the memberships would sell well if supporters can actually see a clear path that the club is taking. That's the problem this season — the club appears to be aiming at just making or just missing the finals — wishy washy direction and not worth watching.
 
Well once again im drawn into this post with the mere fact everything that has been posted mainly points to one man!!! The coach!!! How hard is it to realise that this same bunch of players have been there for 5-6 years or more and we have had no success apart from 1995 and 2001!!!! Who can tell me any team that has become successful by perservering with the same players that just arent good enough as a group to make it????!! Clubs like the pies are the perfect example!! They got rid of that losing culture which plagued them for years and started fresh with new and young players!!!

Lets get rid of players like Rogers, King, Bowden, Tivendale, Gaspar, Holland and co!!!! If we had traded Rogers when he was worth something we would have got decent players!!! Gaspar going to freo would have netted us a hasleby and some other very good kid with half the salary!!! Holland to adelaide would have also got us some very good players or draft picks!!!! We kept these players and paid them skyrocketed salaries for minimal return thus far!!!! What about Frawleys genius move of not trading daffy to hawthorn for rawlings!!!! Another tall back which we now lack!!!! GOOD ONE SPUDDER YOU SUPERCOACH!!!!

Get rid of them and let the krakrs and mcgraths, rodans and coughlans take over with inclusions like johnson
 
frawleyudud said:
Well once again im drawn into this post with the mere fact everything that has been posted mainly points to one man!!! The coach!!! How hard is it to realise that this same bunch of players have been there for 5-6 years or more and we have had no success apart from 1995 and 2001!!!! Who can tell me any team that has become successful by perservering with the same players that just arent good enough as a group to make it????!! Clubs like the pies are the perfect example!! They got rid of that losing culture which plagued them for years and started fresh with new and young players!!!

Lets get rid of players like Rogers, King, Bowden, Tivendale, Gaspar, Holland and co!!!! If we had traded Rogers when he was worth something we would have got decent players!!! Gaspar going to freo would have netted us a hasleby and some other very good kid with half the salary!!! Holland to adelaide would have also got us some very good players or draft picks!!!! We kept these players and paid them skyrocketed salaries for minimal return thus far!!!! What about Frawleys genius move of not trading daffy to hawthorn for rawlings!!!! Another tall back which we now lack!!!! GOOD ONE SPUDDER YOU SUPERCOACH!!!!

Get rid of them and let the krakrs and mcgraths, rodans and coughlans take over with inclusions like johnson
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dont let the facts get in the way of a good story.
the *smile* situation was we would have ended up with stuff all for him.freo finished last and could have got *smile* for absolutely nothing. no trade no draft picks.
holland? your kidding.since his move to the backline he has been very much an improved player. proof in the pudding last year.
at the time of the daffy trade we had enough talls there was no need for a rawlings.in the end we got what we were after in stafford.
if we traded rogers? and you know what the crows offered for rogers? if so print it.
 
frawleyudud said:
Lets get rid of players like Rogers, King, Bowden, Tivendale, Gaspar, Holland and co!!!! ...Get rid of them and let the krakrs and mcgraths, rodans and coughlans take over with inclusions like johnson
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You can't throw out half your list in one go as you can't replace them with quality players in one go under the current draft system. After your first and/or second it is very unlikely you would pick up more than one decent long-term player from later picks. Plus no one will trade a decent player for these later picks either. It would be just plain stupid to do so.

There will be a clean out at the end of the year and most likely the first two names on your list will be on it.
Gas and Dutchy are contracted so they wouldn't be traded anyway. Gas' form so far this year has been good and back to what we want from him.

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Gaspar going to freo would have netted us a hasleby and some other very good kid with half the salary!!!
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Incorrect. We would of got FA for Gas as Freo finished last and had first pick in the preseason draft plus $$$ to pay him.
 
Ben Holland: has been at the club since 1996. Was extremely ordinary until early 2000 when he was read the riot act by spud. Had a great 2001, but again looked ordinary and one dimensional before he did his knee! Wanted to go back to SA, but spud pleaded for him to stay. Overated to say the least.
Matthew Rodgers:- any pick to get rid of him to adelaide would of been good enough. But no, Spud rates this dud to highly, were stuck with him for good.
Gaspar:- a mercenary who put the club to ransom in the 2001 final series and now is probably the highest paid player at the club and is lucky to get 8 kicks a game with little creative influence.
We should of traded these hacks at all cost, but no the supercoach has to much self belief in these phonies.
And now Greg Miller comes out with a three year plan. Is that 3 more years for these 3 clowns to develop into skillful, dynamic AFL players!!!
 
diggler said:
Ben Holland: has been at the club since 1996. Was extremely ordinary until early 2000 when he was read the riot act by spud. Had a great 2001, but again looked ordinary and one dimensional before he did his knee! Wanted to go back to SA, but spud pleaded for him to stay. Overated to say the least.
Matthew Rodgers:- any pick to get rid of him to adelaide would of been good enough. But no, Spud rates this dud to highly, were stuck with him for good.
Gaspar:- a mercenary who put the club to ransom in the 2001 final series and now is probably the highest paid player at the club and is lucky to get 8 kicks a game with little creative influence.
We should of traded these hacks at all cost, but no the supercoach has to much self belief in these phonies.
And now Greg Miller comes out with a three year plan. Is that 3 more years for these 3 clowns to develop into skillful, dynamic AFL players!!!
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so your saying holland had an ordinary year?which year was this since his move to the backline?
 
Couldnt of said it better myself diggler!!!! Why is it so hard for you guys to realise that these guys are just not good enough to turn us into a premiership team!!!! Well not with the current coach anyway!!! If the coach had a half a brain he would have been getting rid of these players year by year, not just one big hit!!!! Every year we hear, theres going to be a big axe at the end of the year and were left with the same bunch of losers!!!! How long do you keep a guy that just aint good!!! King and biddiscombe are prime examples!!! But hey lets not be harsh on them, why they just need another 10 years and theyll make it!!!! When you have a side like our that lacks grunt and strength in the middle and you constantly play a guy like king, well no more said!!!!
 
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