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Is PC a euphemism for 'nice?'

lamb22

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Are you serious? “Extreme levels of scientific ignorance” apparently but you can’t give me any examples of a man giving birth to a baby (not even reproduce using IVF), you know what biological women are known for by 99.99% of people. You pull fringe examples of what are biological deformities and claim that invalidates the idea of biological sex. Men can do all they want to pretend they can become women but at the end of the day they aren’t biologically women.

Is a person that loses an arm still a human? What about all their limbs? Biologically they remain a human. A woman that can’t give birth is biologically a woman. A man that gets pumped full of hormones and changes their name and appearance does not become a biological woman. Stupid doesn’t begin to describe your ideas. That heights analogy you used is hilarious. Yes the concept of biological sex has nuisances, but the way you make it sound, there is no such thing as a man or a woman.

When I look at posts like these I am reminded of the Booker T Washington quote; "Ego is the anaesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity"
 
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Brodders17

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Please point out where I said I wanted the gov to intervene in this instance? My surprise was that they didn’t intervene and that the person was fired in the first place.
so you agree the employer was within their rights?
i am not sure why you posted then, other than to complain about the lack of intervention from the gov?
 

KnightersRevenge

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Aug 21, 2007
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Why do you think it is that the overwhelming majority of transgenders are male -> female?

I have an idea. I spend far too much time on twitter and have tried to engage in good faith with many transgender women. Just my own thoughts, not a working scientific hypothesis mind you. But most of them are in the 30-45 age bracket and gamers. I suspect that these were young dudes who were chatting online while gaming. They toyed with the idea of presenting as female in chat boxes. They noticed how much more attention they got from the other male gamers, they were the centre of attention. So they started presenting more and more as female and enjoyed all the flirting and attention. As they started socialising more they struggled with keeping their male identity, flirting was natural but these were not homosexual males, they were used to presenting as female to get attention, they didn't associate attracting male attention with also being male.

To Coburg's attempt at obfuscation on biology: no, mammalian biology isn't really that complicated. Trying to dig into to the minutiae of any subject will give you constantly bifurcating results. Reductionism is often unproductive. Blue is a colour. But it's also a spectrum, with no clear boundary to purple at one end or green at the other. But sexually reproducing mammals have 2 completely distinct gametes. There is not a spectrum here. This is a simple binary. Those who we socially refer to as female produce one type, those we refer to as male produce the other. The miniscule proportion that have a condition that renders their sexual organs ambiguous are generally referred to as intersex and do not produce a 3rd gamete. And certainly not a spectrum of gametes. And to be very clear, intersex people have nothing whatever to do with transgender people. These are completely different categories. There is no evidence transgenderism has anything to do with biology.
 
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Coburgtiger

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I have an idea. I spend far too much time on twitter and have tried to engage in good faith with many transgender women. Just my own thoughts, not a working scientific hypothesis mind you. But most of them are in the 30-45 age bracket and gamers. I suspect that these were young dudes who were chatting online while gaming. They toyed with the idea of presenting as female in chat boxes. They noticed how much more attention they got from the other male gamers, they were the centre of attention. So they started presenting more and more as female and enjoyed all the flirting and attention. As they started socialising more they struggled with keeping their male identity, flirting was natural but these were not homosexual males, they were used to presenting as female to get attention, they didn't associate attracting male attention with also being male.

To Coburg's attempt at obfuscation on biology: no, mammalian biology isn't really that complicated. Trying to dig into to the minutiae of any subject will give you constantly bifurcating results. Reductionism is often unproductive. Blue is a colour. But it's also a spectrum, with no clear boundary to purple at one end or green at the other. But sexually reproducing mammals have 2 completely distinct gametes. There is not a spectrum here. This is a simple binary. Those who we socially refer to as female produce one type, those we refer to as male produce the other. The miniscule proportion that have a condition that renders their sexual organs ambiguous are generally referred to as intersex and do not produce a 3rd gamete. And certainly not a spectrum of gametes. And to be very clear, intersex people have nothing whatever to do with transgender people. These are completely different categories. There is no evidence transgenderism has anything to do with biology.

And yet there are those we'd refer to as male or female who don't produce any gametes. Reductionism is useful for large scale classification, less helpful for the individual who is reduced out of existence. To be clear, I'm not saying male and female don't exist as useful classifications. It's a system that works for most humans, quite a lot of mammals, a significant number of vertebrates, but then kinda gets murky in the rest of the living world. Still, the overwhelming majority of people fall nicely into these categories, even if they have to squeeze themselves in there.

Also, there certainly are a spectrum of gametes. Non disjunctions, translocations etc. And that's just for chromosome number/size. In fact, the fact that a spectrum of variation exists in both the production, and combination of gametes is the reason for the (relatively recent, but incredibly significant) success of sex as a biological process at all.

Are these significant variations from the norm common? No. Do they often result in a lack of viability? Yes. But not always. And we're not talking about the norm here. That's kind of the point. The norm is a collection of correlated phenotypes we refer to as male or female, which approximates a binary separation. Just because most people aren't the confusing individuals on the edge of those limitations, doesn't mean those people don't exist.

And yes, intersex is different to transgender, as a classification. Mainly because being intersex is easier to quantify and measure. But looking at intersex people, the guevedoces were an example I mentioned, you can look at how easily psychology doesn't match up with physiology. When you realise how many genetic pathways there are to variation in the standard male/female distinction, it is a relatively small cognitive and emotional leap to empathise with those who feel one way and present another.

This whole discussion is exactly analogous to the discussions of homosexuality through the 60's and 70's. Firstly, the denial that its anything other than people with vested interests. Secondly, claiming they don't exist at all. Then the fervent search for the 'gay gene', before realising that biology is *smile* complicated. And that the millions of interconnected neural and hormonal pathways that make someone who and what they are can lead to all sorts of possibilities.
 
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hutstar

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Here's what I don't understand about people who are overtly anti-Trans. We have to put up with political extremists, white supremacists, orthodox theists, women haters and domestic abusers... yet people who feel like their body doesn't match their mind upsets you? I'd say we should be cleaning up all the people whose 'beliefs' inflict pain on others before we spend another moment hating on the defenseless.
 
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kyuss

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Here's what I don't understand about people who are overtly anti-Trans. We have to put up with political extremists, white supremacists, orthodox theists, women haters and domestic abusers... yet people who feel like their body doesn't match their mind upsets you? I'd say we should be cleaning up all the people whose 'beliefs' inflict pain on others before we spend another moment hating on the defenseless.

Really like this post and wish i was as articulate. There are so many evils in the world who have so much power and can actually effect peoples lives, yet so many feel the need to take anger out on low hanging fruit who will not effect their life at all.
 
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tigerdell

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Are you going thru a trans change yourself L2?
Or are you worried that one day you will need to call Tina by his new name of Tim?
 
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AngryAnt

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They're making addressing people by specific weird personal pronouns compulsory, e.g. "they".

All part of the attack on the traditional family structure brought to you by Marxism.

"They" are making the use of "they" compulsory are they? Persuasive argument
 

eZyT

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How about a pre-emptive strike and shut this one down too @Mr. T ?

in a post racially intolerant world, it'll get ugly in here.