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IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.
Coburgtiger said:
In another life I stole bread from a supermarket delivery drop after not eating for three days. Didn't blame any rich *smile* for my position. The blame game can GAGF.
Try again to get the point.
Harry said:
This. Any change or movement or policy has its downsides no matter how good or effective. PC's is the odd bit annoying crusader. Small price to pay. 'PC gone mad' stories crack me up though mostly, just playing to their choir. People can work themselves into an indignant frenzy over not much.
No it is a euphemism for "never offend anyone." The so-called "regressive left" are basically the PC police. They are responsible for "safe spaces" that pre-suppose that people should never feel "offence". This is obviously nonsense. Of course different people will find different things offensive. But to over overly police it is to become the societal version of the "helicopter parent" or the "tiger parent".
If you have grown up in a family and a society where only men wear green and only women wear brown (to create an absurd example) then imagine the first time you encounter a woman in green? It would have quite an effect. You might even be offended by it if you had been told that it is actually forbidden or indecent. Should this mean that your "offence" needs to be taken seriously by the "offender"? No. Your offence is personal to you.
One of the most imporant parts of free speech is the freedom to offend. Precisely because anything might be deemed "offensive" by some. Society is far better served by learning to have a "thick skin" and understanding that it is not society's role to protect you from things that might offend you, it is your role to learn how to be a functioning adult in a world that doesn't, and shouldn't, cater specifically to you.
If you have grown up in a family and a society where only men wear green and only women wear brown (to create an absurd example) then imagine the first time you encounter a woman in green? It would have quite an effect. You might even be offended by it if you had been told that it is actually forbidden or indecent. Should this mean that your "offence" needs to be taken seriously by the "offender"? No. Your offence is personal to you.
One of the most imporant parts of free speech is the freedom to offend. Precisely because anything might be deemed "offensive" by some. Society is far better served by learning to have a "thick skin" and understanding that it is not society's role to protect you from things that might offend you, it is your role to learn how to be a functioning adult in a world that doesn't, and shouldn't, cater specifically to you.
KnightersRevenge said:
Really? so if I call a woman a tart, an aboriginal person a coon, or a gay person a faggot its their problem?
Recently someone told Nova Peris to go and eat witchetty grubs. She took offence. I think it's about context. I doubt she's offended that her relations did used to live from the land but the person who said it probably meant to be offensive.
This reminds me of messages I get sent. They usually refer to me being fat and some kind of animal. I don't find them offensive at all, just a tad sad people would do it. If I was a fat pig and someone said it to my face I would find it offensive though.
A couple of examples below. There are plenty of others.
Are those comments considered politically incorrect? Does it depend whether I am offended by them or not? Does it depend if they have an element of truth or not? I really don't understand political correct as a term. It's often used as an insult on here. I just think it's far be nice and not insult, ridicule or try to hurt people. The need to do so is a reflection on the person who does it imo.
Another thing is offence has been taken at ace oriented jokes on here, for example Irish jokes. Are targeted jokes politically correct? Does it depend who makes them and who they are aimed at?
PC is a term I don't choose to use. I don't really understand what it means.
P.S. I sincerely hope the swear filter works.
This reminds me of messages I get sent. They usually refer to me being fat and some kind of animal. I don't find them offensive at all, just a tad sad people would do it. If I was a fat pig and someone said it to my face I would find it offensive though.
A couple of examples below. There are plenty of others.
Are those comments considered politically incorrect? Does it depend whether I am offended by them or not? Does it depend if they have an element of truth or not? I really don't understand political correct as a term. It's often used as an insult on here. I just think it's far be nice and not insult, ridicule or try to hurt people. The need to do so is a reflection on the person who does it imo.
Another thing is offence has been taken at ace oriented jokes on here, for example Irish jokes. Are targeted jokes politically correct? Does it depend who makes them and who they are aimed at?
PC is a term I don't choose to use. I don't really understand what it means.
P.S. I sincerely hope the swear filter works.
Baloo said:
Interesting. As I said I am not sure what political correctness is. No doubt it's attention seeking bullying. Is it considered politically incorrect to call someone a poof or a boong or a nigger etc or are they more akin to calling them fatty?
rosy23 said:
PC is more about using what some people consider normal, inoffensive terms and actions yet the recipient, target or other parts of society finds them offensive, degrading or mean. In the emails you quoted, the person was deliberately trying to offend, demean and attack you. That's intentional abuse, not political incorrectness.
Best Definition Yet
There's supposedly an annual contest at the Griffith University. Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.
This year's term was "Political Correctness".
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional. illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of *smile* by the clean end"
There's supposedly an annual contest at the Griffith University. Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.
This year's term was "Political Correctness".
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional. illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of *smile* by the clean end"
willo said:
I read this and thought, it doesn't actually make sense, and it isn't really funny, and as a GU alumni, I googled it. Never actually happened willo. Which is pretty typical of the 'PC gone mad' mythology.
tigersnake said:
Fair enough, but the anti-PC brigade can hardly be blamed for the existence of snopes.com.
Is pretty simple. People very really mad when they're told to be decent to each other.
'I am a good person, who are you to tell me I'm racist/homophobic/sexist? I am such a good person, how dare you suggest that when I say racist /sexist /homophobic things it's a bad thing. Have I told you how good a person I am? I pay taxes. I have a gay relative, I've travelled overseas, and I find women attractive. I'm actually a great person. I should be allowed to act like a knob. How dare you say otherwise. The world has gone mad. '
'I am a good person, who are you to tell me I'm racist/homophobic/sexist? I am such a good person, how dare you suggest that when I say racist /sexist /homophobic things it's a bad thing. Have I told you how good a person I am? I pay taxes. I have a gay relative, I've travelled overseas, and I find women attractive. I'm actually a great person. I should be allowed to act like a knob. How dare you say otherwise. The world has gone mad. '
tigersnake said:
[EDIT] I was talking about the over-policing of "offence" as noted by ridiculous things like "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces". I submit to you that society is not best served by this far left tyranny of niceties. George Carlin was on to something in his long rails against the systematic homogenising of language.
I didn't say it wasn't possible to offend. Or that all offence was imaginary did I? It is absolutely about the individual though.
The obvious example is when black people call each other nigga. If I do it, pasty white guy that I am, in certain company it is not meant nor taken as offensive. But I am sure we can both conceive of many occasions when it would be. Likewise "*smile*" or "tart". I don't like either word but in some circles they are completely benign, used like nick names. Context is everything.
[EDIT] As an addition, and an annecdotal one at that, my wife loves the C-bomb. She blends it seamlessly in the way only Irish people can ( well I haven't come across any others, I know good church going Irish grannies who wouldn't, and don't, think twice about dropping it). With an Australian or many English accents it seems to come out harsh and accusitory and tends to convey aggression and lead to offence. Many of you reading this may not believe that it can ever spoken in polite company without causing offence. If any of you ever get to meet my wife I promise you she'll have dropped it several times inside the first minute without you noticing.
