Is the message getting through?

[clown]

Sorry if this topic has been brought up before but i couldn't find another thread on it. It has been brought up on SEN and the ABC radio that some players have spoken out about Terry Wallace and the coaching staff at Richmond over complicating or being too technical in teaching the game plan to the Players. One caller rang up and said he spoke to a player himself and was told by this player that some of the guys are just confused. Now i don't know if this is true but if there is some truth to it shurely the club must know about this and hopefully it is being adressed, if not we are in big trouble. Anybody else out there know more about this?

 

[BrisTiger24]

LOL - how technical can it be?? These dunces get paid hundreds of grand a year to do this as a fulltime job. If they can't get their head around the technical aspects, they should go and play suburban football.

Technical??? Sheesh...try getting your head around section 159GG of the Income Tax Assessment Act 1936...now that's technical!!!

 

[Tigers of Old]

'This quarter boys I want the team dynamics to follow the instrinsic mechanisms I set out in our improvement graphs that we saw on the powerpoint presentation at training.'

 

[clown]

Simple football is always the best, Kick the bloody thing long, up the guts. I really can't remember if "too Technical" was the exact words used but it was along those lines.

 

[GoodOne]

Simple football is always the best, Kick the bloody thing long, up the guts. I really can't remember if "too Technical" was the exact words used but it was along those lines.

I would say the type of game Hawthorn plays for example is anything but simple. A team plan should be based around the cattle that you have. It's all about the discipline to stick to the plan and how you handle it under pressure ie whether you still keep to the game plan. The basics of footy are indeed simple when it comes to pressure, tackling and shepherds but to win matches and defeat the floods, kick outs, bounce setups and whatever latest plan is invented requires a certain amount of sophistication. It would be very disappointing if there are players blabbering in public about their lack of faith, this to me is not thinking about the team but about yourself. The best footballers play to instruction and play for the team. No player can win a match on their own.

Have watched a number of Tiger games and I'm finding it hard to fathom what part of the game plan is so difficult.

 

[clown]

I would say the type of game Hawthorn plays for example is anything but simple. A team plan should be based around the cattle that you have. It's all about the discipline to stick to the plan and how you handle it under pressure ie whether you still keep to the game plan. The basics of footy are indeed simple when it comes to pressure, tackling and shepherds but to win matches and defeat the floods, kick outs, bounce setups and whatever latest plan is invented requires a certain amount of sophistication. It would be very disappointing if there are players blabbering in public about their lack of faith, this to me is not thinking about the team but about yourself. The best footballers play to instruction and play for the team. No player can win a match on their own.

Have watched a number of Tiger games and I'm finding it hard to fathom what part of the game plan is so difficult.

On the ABC yesterday the commentors were saying that they had no idea what our game plan was and if we had one. At least you know what it is

 

[ronnit]

i find it amusing how many people think that most players earn hundreds of thousands of dollars to play fooyt...i am sure that the players would find this amusing too......


but as for the game plan....i cant imagine it could be too hard to follow...

 

[taraba]

Pfft! Compare AFL game plans to NFL, NHL or NBA type game plans and it should be a piece of cake. Overall it's a pretty simple game and as professional sportsmen they should be able to master the intricacies of a detailed game plan.

 

[GoodOne]

On the ABC yesterday the commentors were saying that they had no idea what our game plan was and if we had one. At least you know what it is

At times you can see the game plan as it should be played. Its usually when we get right on top and move the ball quickly. Then for some inexplicable reason we turn to possession footy. That's the part of the game plan I don't get. Play well and then shut shop everytime you get a lead.

What I liked about Carlton on the weekend is they hit the front against Collingwood and they could have easily shut shop with 4 or 5 minutes to go and played that bull$%#^ possession game in the backline. Instead they believed in themselves and piled on 4 more goals. The Tigers need to gain this confidence.

 

[GoodOne]

i find it amusing how many people think that most players earn hundreds of thousands of dollars to play fooyt...i am sure that the players would find this amusing too......

Sorry what's amusing about this? Average salary is well over $200K, thats hundreds of thousands, two (thats more than one = plural), hundreds of thousands.

 

[feisty tige]

I did go a bit ballistic over the possesion thing happening in the fourth quarter, at one stage I yelled at Bowden to kick the .... thing forward, don't handball or kick backward, I am sure he got my instruction from the 3rd level of the TD, most of those around me heard it as clear as crystal... ;D

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

I am impressed that we have a game plan that is sophisticated enough for our players to find complex.

 

[theglove3]

'This quarter boys I want the team dynamics to follow the instrinsic mechanisms I set out in our improvement graphs that we saw on the powerpoint presentation at training.'

I'll have a crack at translating this:

Get the *smile* thing!
Kick it to *smile* Richo!
Get out of his *smile* way!
;D

 

[gold1]

Good morning gentleman,

This afternoon we are going to play some football;that's right something to do with a bit of inflated leather that occasionally you drop onto your left or right foot and kick it.Sorry,what was that?You don't know what left or right is?Too technical.Perhaps try to imagine that you have to PASS this bit of inflated leather to someone about 40 metres away,how would you do it.What?How much is 40 metres????????????????????

 

[IanG]

I would say the type of game Hawthorn plays for example is anything but simple. A team plan should be based around the cattle that you have. It's all about the discipline to stick to the plan and how you handle it under pressure ie whether you still keep to the game plan. The basics of footy are indeed simple when it comes to pressure, tackling and shepherds but to win matches and defeat the floods, kick outs, bounce setups and whatever latest plan is invented requires a certain amount of sophistication. It would be very disappointing if there are players blabbering in public about their lack of faith, this to me is not thinking about the team but about yourself. The best footballers play to instruction and play for the team. No player can win a match on their own.

Have watched a number of Tiger games and I'm finding it hard to fathom what part of the game plan is so difficult.

Bloody oath. I can only think its a player who is dissatisfied with his lot anyway.

On the ABC yesterday the commentors were saying that they had no idea what our game plan was and if we had one. At least you know what it is

Then the commentators shouldn't be commentating on football. Broadly we obtain contested possession in the backline handball to release a player to run through the centre who then passes to an option in the forward line. As Goodone said you can actually see this happening when we are not under pressure, it has been breaking down when we're under pressure. The way the team seem to be countering opposition pressure is trying to exert pressure of their own through competing hard for the ball and tackling. The latter we obviously need more practice at. We should be trying to improve other 1%ers like shepherding as well.

 

[stripes17]

Actually, I think that sometimes we play better when we play on instinct.

How many times do you see a player streaming into the fifty and then propping, handballing to a stationary target or trying to do a dinky little kick that turns over instead of having a shot.
Surely it is better to have a shot when you have all the momentum instead of turning it over, seeing it sailing all the way back down for an opposition goal.

It is like they suddenly think, oh oh, I have to follow team rules, but in trying to do that they often stuff it up. Even kick it to the hot spot in the goal square would be better than nothing, you never know, at least it puts pressure on the opposition backs.

 

[U2Tigers]

this isn't new - I've heard bits and pieces for over 2 years now, that some on the list are finding TW's coaching techniques as being to complicated.

doesn't surprise me sometimes especially when we see 3 or 4 Tigers sides all in 1 game. like last weekend even.

 

[Snap]

Sounds more like a confidence issue to me....... ask Dale Thomas.(that means coaching confidence as well as personal)!