Is this what we are facing??

[graystar1]

For those who don't get the Sun, have a read of what a recruiting "expert" had to say about our list. If true we are in for a hard long slog.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25354375-19771,00.html

Sadly, I fear he may be correct. Who would we consider to be champions of the team...apart from Deledio and Richo...and who are our future champs?? Sure, we have a handful of "good" players, but we don't have the Franklins, Abletts, Mitchells, Selwoods or Riewoldts to name a few. Genuine stars I'm talking about. now and for the future. Rance may be, but has only played two games, some others may come on, but who at this stage looks like carrying us to finals??

According to the author above.....nobody really.

 

[Tiger29]

I have been thinking the same.

Over the next 2 years we will probably lose Richo, Brown, Johnson, Simmonds, Bowden and Cousens

There's no doubt Richo will leave a huge hole in the team, but on current form maybe it's time for the others to be given a push. I know these guys aren't part of our future.
We threw our young guys in at the deep end a couple of years ago when we had no other option, and maybe it's time to do it again. We don't need to keep these young kids on the list for another 2 years playing for Coburg and then realising they're not up to it when we need them.

The last 5 years haven't worked.

Back to the drawing board I think.

 

[French Tiger]

It was quite depressing to read.But really we should have already all known this

 

[Tigers of Old]

The last 5 years haven't worked.

Back to the drawing board I think.

2011. :

 

[jb03]

Nothing in that article that hasn't been discussed at length on PRE. Many posters were advocating to use a lot of picks in the last couple of drafts before Gold Coast and West Sydney take the cream. Only the Richmond heirachy didn't seem to understand. It has always been a furphy that we had a young list.

Though they may have a master plan to trade away expierenced players to GC for picks.

 

[IanG]

For those who don't get the Sun, have a read of what a recruiting "expert" had to say about our list. If true we are in for a hard long slog.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25354375-19771,00.html

Sadly, I fear he may be correct. Who would we consider to be champions of the team...apart from Deledio and Richo...and who are our future champs??

er Cotchin, Vickery hopefully. I'm still confident about Jack Reiwoldt, then there's Morton.

 

[mexican_radio]

I think we should have a special fund raising event to buy Trent Cotchin a new achilles tendon.

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

Time will tell, Plough won't be there next year and who knows how some players will respond to a new coach and a new opportunity. Look @ Geelong and in particular Bartel, in 2004 cats fans were calling for his delisting, he could barely touch the ball nor dispose of it correctly and then he went bang and won a brownlow 3 yrs later, 05 and 06 Geelong were expected to make a massive impact they finished 10th and then a semi in 06 then a flag in 07. It's easy pointing fingers at talent/waste of talent at clubs at the bottom of the ladder. Melbourne may be closer to a premiership but their young blokes still have to step up this year and theres been no evidence of that so far. There's gonna be 5 guys out there for melb today who wont be there in 3 years. FFS that bloke drafted Jon Hay, goes to show how smart that bloke is, he should have been shot for that. Hawthorn were quietly laughing and high fiving each other after that deal went through. Richmond have the talent on the list we just need someone who can nurture and develop it properly.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

“We did a lot of work on the AFL Prospectus (publication) crystal ball a nd Richmond kept saying they had a young list, but the truth is, it ain’t a young list,’” Stibbard said.

I'd dispute this. Our list is skewed, not old.

Age distribution as at 19/4/09 (rounded to nearest whole number):

Cb 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18
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Ad 2 1 1 1 1 2 5 1 3 5 2 1 6 8 1
Br 3 2 2 2 4 2 4 3 5 5 6 2
Ca 2 1 2 5 4 2 4 5 4 6 1 2
Co 1 1 1 1 2 4 2 2 3 6 10 2 2 3
Es 1 2 2 1 4 2 4 4 3 8 4 3 2
Fr 3 3 3 5 2 7 1 2 2 3 5 2
Ge 1 1 2 2 2 5 2 6 3 1 2 5 2 4 2
Ha 1 1 1 5 2 5 1 3 5 6 2 2 4
Me 1 2 1 2 3 4 1 3 5 8 2 6 2
NM 1 1 4 2 2 5 2 4 4 8 3 3 1
PA 1 1 2 3 2 3 1 5 3 5 5 2 5 2
Ri 1 5 4 1 3 2 7 6 3 5 3
St 1 2 3 1 3 1 9 2 5 4 1 6 1
Sy 4 1 4 3 3 4 2 1 3 4 3 5 3
WB 1 1 3 3 4 3 1 3 2 2 4 6 4 2
WC 2 1 4 1 3 4 1 4 5 2 5 8

We've got a lot more 22-23yo's than any other club. Their quality is the issue going forward, but on paper they don't look much worse than anybody else's. In some cases they're a lot better.

 

[Massai]

There is talent in the playing list, we've all seen it. Problem is, that its for a quarter here a quarter or half there, then it all disappears.

That is psychological not physical. The players all look fit enough and no doubt they all pass the fitness tests set up the football physical coaching staff, which would be pretty much in line with what the other clubs do.

So it comes back to the psychological side of the coin. In most sports you can get by on talent but the real winners are the ones that harness that talent and really use their brains to win.

Jack Nicklaus in golf, Tiger Woods ditto, Don Bradman cricket, Dennis Lillee cricket, Ayrton Senna and Peter Brock motor racing, Ian Thorpe swimming, all the great long distance runners, its what's in their heads that drives them to win, win, win.

Isn't there an old saying about a "champion team" not a "team of champions". If Richmond were a champion team, they'd win 9/10 games, you don't all have to be champions like Cousins, Judd, Richardson, but you do have to give 110% of whatever talent you have, plus you have give more in terms of wanting to win and what you'd do to get into that position. That is why I firmly believe the Richmond Footclub falls on its face, too much taking, too much someone else will do it, in other words a lot of selfishness inside the playing list.

We've had almost 5 years of Terry Wallace, the list has been pretty much cleaned out, young draft picks added some good trades and not so good trades and look at where its got us, as at today NOWHERE.

Now of course, if RFC win today and then win say 3 out of the next 4 perhaps just perhaps the turn may have been turned, that however I seriously doubt, as by then the season will almost be half over and a lot of the players on the list will then start to focus on survival and being contracted for 2010 and beyond. Again more me me me and no club club club.

 

[The Cotch]

The article is rubbish. No wonder the Kangaroos list is a total mess. I still don't know what they're arguing, on one half they're saying it's doom and gloom and on the other half they've ticked most players that look like being in our next premiership side. More Herald Sun trash.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

Our list is ok

What we are missing is a large group in the 25 to 28 years bracket.

Sure we have a lot of 30+ retirees in the next few years. But as they slowly retire more of our young players will hit a good age - our future is pretty good.

By the time Cotchin is 22 our list is going to be very balanced and very good.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

The article is rubbish. No wonder the Kangaroos list is a total mess. I still don't know what they're arguing, on one half they're saying it's doom and gloom and on the other half they've ticked most players that look like being in our next premiership side. More Herald Sun trash.

Yea - I hope the players have a good read of what north think of us next week... Bring on our second win of the season!!

 

[tha8ball]

Time will tell, Plough won't be there next year and who knows how some players will respond to a new coach and a new opportunity. Look @ Geelong and in particular Bartel, in 2004 cats fans were calling for his delisting, he could barely touch the ball nor dispose of it correctly and then he went bang and won a brownlow 3 yrs later, 05 and 06 Geelong were expected to make a massive impact they finished 10th and then a semi in 06 then a flag in 07.

yeah great post. my Geelong supporting friend reminded me of this only the other day. Still a lot of water to be passed under the bridge.

 

[ToraToraTora]

We've gotta do well in this draft, be brutal and aggressive in trading to GC and WS, and hope we have a bit of luck with a player or two. And tank.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Though they may have a master plan to trade away expierenced players to GC for picks.

2 players come to mind.Mcguane and Raines.See what the GC put on the table.
We may even have to look at kids in the last 2 drafts who missed out and see how much they have developed as they got older.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Our list is ok

What we are missing is a large group in the 25 to 28 years bracket.

Sure we have a lot of 30+ retirees in the next few years. But as they slowly retire more of our young players will hit a good age - our future is pretty good.

By the time Cotchin is 22 our list is going to be very balanced and very good.

A lot of truth in that. Breakdown of ages of premiership players of the last 10 years, and our current list:

Age % %
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35 0
34 1 3
33 2
32 2
31 5 13
30 4
29 7
28 9
27 9 10
26 12 3
25 10 8
24 9 5
23 9 18
22 10 15
21 6 8
20 3 13
19 1 8

Our list is still in an early stage of development. Talk of needing a complete rebuild is garbage.

Shuffling our percentages up two places, and allowing for some players falling by the wayside, actually suggests 2011 is a touch early to expect the so-called "premiership window" to open.

 

[Brodders17]

typical *smile* article thats says nothing.
the guy who traded to first round picks for hay reckons we have made mistakes.

 

[seven]

Which begs the question, why did we pick up Thomson and Hislop in the last draft instead of 2 kids knowing what GC have been giving.

Agree we some aspects of the article, we have recruited poorly.

 

[IanG]

Which begs the question, why did we pick up Thomson and Hislop in the last draft instead of 2 kids knowing what GC have been giving.

Thomson and Hislop could be 8-10 year players, that isn't a quick fix.