Is Wallace Right?

[Disco08]

It's splitting hairs mate.Geelong did plenty of 'run and carry'.

We just need good footballers.

Possibly, and I hope you're right. Geelong did rank top 4 in all the categories I mentioned before though. They may have used plenty of run and carry but they also created plenty of opportunities to do it.

I also don't see the difference between Geelong's list structure and Richmond's as only a hair.

 

[RedanTiger]

Competitors in all sports are getting bigger in terms of height and muscle. Look at players in soccer, rugby (unoion and league), gridiron and basketball. All are getting taller, heavier (more muscle) and quicker. Look at track athletes from Ben Johnson onwards. The sprinters and jumpers now are monsters compared to the past.
Speed comes from power, power comes from strength is the story from pure athletes. Athletes take steriods to gain muscle fibre, so they can run faster (Johnson, Jones), hit harder (Baseball - Bonds), last longer (cycling - Landis).

The use of steriods is the shortcut to the type of body that athletes need to compete at the highest level.
Our use of strength and conditioning facilities and coaching has been abysmal and still not first class. We have very few players at the required standard with probably only Coughlan, maybe Deledio, Richo and Foley who come closest to a comparison with Voss, Buckley, Judd, Kerr and Cousins.

IMO Wallace has recruited small undeveloped quicks on the false assumption that they will always be the quickest on the list. This only leads to the eventual situation where the big guys get faster and smash the little guys when they catch them.

 

[Tambling Man]

General wrote:

Geelong have a younger team than us? What makes you say that?

Because the last time I checked they did. Admittedly I did it at the start of the year and Gaspar's retirement would have affected the numbers. From memory the Hawks also had a younger list.

 

[bertallen]

General wrote:

Geelong have a younger team than us? What makes you say that?

Because the last time I checked they did. Admittedly I did it at the start of the year and Gaspar's retirement would have affected the numbers. From memory the Hawks also had a younger list.

Yes and no

Including rookies etc Hawthorn had the youngets list and Adelaide the oldest by 22 months
Order was Hawthorn, Carlton, Port, Brisbane, Collingwood, West Coast, Richmond, Geelong, Kangaroos etc

But if you look at the average age of the 22 players for each game its a bit different, with Carlton the youngest and Sydney the oldest and the order Carlton, Brisbane, Richmond, Hawthorn, West Coast, Geelong, Port Adelaide ... The age spread was 30 months from 1 to 16.

 

[Tambling Man]

Thanks BertAllen

Am I reading your stats right: We don't have a young list but we have more young players in our best 22 than the most of the competition.

Does that mean we have ripping youngsters or is it more of a reflection on the rest of the list?

 

[Tango]

good footballers win flags not good gameplans

 

[Disco08]

I'd say it's a combination of both.

 

[the claw]

General wrote:

Geelong have a younger team than us? What makes you say that?

Because the last time I checked they did. Admittedly I did it at the start of the year and Gaspar's retirement would have affected the numbers. From memory the Hawks also had a younger list.

Yes and no

Including rookies etc Hawthorn had the youngets list and Adelaide the oldest by 22 months
Order was Hawthorn, Carlton, Port, Brisbane, Collingwood, West Coast, Richmond, Geelong, Kangaroos etc

But if you look at the average age of the 22 players for each game its a bit different, with Carlton the youngest and Sydney the oldest and the order Carlton, Brisbane, Richmond, Hawthorn, West Coast, Geelong, Port Adelaide ... The age spread was 30 months from 1 to 16.

sydney and brisbane have nine rookies this must bring their average age down.

 

[Tigers of Old]

good footballers win flags not good gameplans

Sydney would challenge that train of thought.

Ok footballers excellent gameplan

 

[Tambling Man]

good footballers win flags not good gameplans

How was Geelongs playing list fundamentally different this year compared to last year? As I see it the same players were involved both years with strikingly different results.

Edit *Sydney has been mentioned

I reckon St Kilda has had the best players in the comp for the last three years yet they have not put the runs on the board.

A premiership team needs good players, but having them doesn't mean you will win a premiership.

 

[Tango]

a team of good footballers....

sydney had it
gelong had it
brisbane had it

stkilda had half a team of good footballers and half a team of selfish 1 dimension players

 

[Leysy Days]

General wrote:

Geelong have a younger team than us? What makes you say that?

Because the last time I checked they did. Admittedly I did it at the start of the year and Gaspar's retirement would have affected the numbers. From memory the Hawks also had a younger list.

Its OK to say that in hard numbers Rich.

Its not actually true in a real sense.

For instance Geelong only had 2 players (N.Ablett & Selwood) under the age of 23 in there GF team.
The fact they dont have any veterans scews the numbers, they in fact have very few "young" players running out in there AFL team week in week out.

 

[Tambling Man]

For instance Geelong only had 2 players (N.Ablett & Selwood) under the age of 23 in there GF team.

That doesn't mean that our under 23 year old are any better than theirs, all that indicates is that their youngsters have to be exceptional to break into the teams best 22. Had Hawkins been on our list I have no doubt he would have played 22 games this year.

We have 8 players on our list over 28. The Cats only have 4. We are the ones that are supposed to be rebuilding, why do we have more old players?

Our list managment is pretty bloody ordinary, but at least our best players aren't in the over 28 demographic like Essendons are.

 

[TigerMasochist]

We have 8 players on our list over 28. The Cats have only have 4. We are the ones that are supposed to be rebuilding, why do we have more old players?

Thats our biggest problem, a handfull of old players and a huge tribe of kids. Bugger all players in the vital 23 up to 28 bracket.
We've got an apple core and some wrinkly old peel but no crisp and juicy apple in between.

 

[diggler]

Wallace is an absolute Dud and he and his backward mate Miller will be both lining
up at Centrelink around the last week of July!!!
Good riddance!!!

 

[Puntrd64]

LOL (Laff out loud)

 

[Tiger74]

Wallace is an absolute Dud and he and his backward mate Miller will be both lining
up at Centrelink around the last week of July!!!
Good riddance!!!

Am I the only one you think Diggler has a man crush on Wally and Miller? He spends soooo much of his time crying about them, it makes me think he is trying to keep suppressed his true feelings :spin

 

[MC]

Pffftttt. What does Wallet know? How about winning some games first?
Get out of that solarium WALLET LIFTTTTT! :devilsmiley

 

[Tigerfan]

Am I the only one you think Diggler has a man crush on Wally and Miller? He spends soooo much of his time crying about them, it makes me think he is trying to keep suppressed his true feelings :spin

When it comres to Wallace and miller, it's Claw thet's the miserable unhappy one.

Diggler just gets up everyone

 

[Tango]

wallace is a good coach, he is just not a good builder of lists
hopefully fj gets some say