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Its the halfway point for the season & TW - where is the playing list really at?
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craig said:A realistic appraisal of our list would provide the following outcome .......... ITS CRAP, and the worst in the league which is highlighted by our predicament and our position.
The list is devoid of real structure, no depth, a glaring lack of leadership, lack of skill and footy smarts and simply short on ability. This problem is highlighted by the honest truth that the RFC has been unarguably one the worst performed clubs in regard to identifying, recruiting, fostering and developing junior talent and thats been an issue for 20 years.
Another 12 or 13 need to go and that is my honest opinion on where i see the list as it is of right now.
Question marks over star recruits Meyer and JON, still question marks over exactly why Pattison was taken as he does not have a clear role to fill and CHF aint it , Schulz has not produced pure and simple and doesnt look likely to, Krakouer ............. nuff said, too many skinny outside runners and a distinct lack of skilled hard contested ball winners, no real height or specialist key position types especially down back with too many 190 cm types.
sh!t recruiting ( 3 picks in 05) and trading as well as the signing and re signing of mediocre players that dont offer enough or have not reached or maintained the required level or standard expected of guys in the system for 4 -5 - 6 years such as Pettifer, P Bowden, Hyde, Hall, Krakouer etc.
Simple these blokes must go for this joint to improve.
Tivendale, Krakouer, Kingsley, P Bowden, Gaspar (gone), Hyde, Graham (not up to it) Hall, Moore, Knobel, Pettifer, and also non improvers such as Hartigan, Schulz and Meyer (whove ive been a huge wrap for and whove had 3 -4 years must be moved on for trade if the RFC cant get any more out of them. This club has wasted too much time money and effort on players that are not up to it for too long and this is a trend that must stop as of this year.
Many supporters are too taken by blind loyalty and passion and would never say or hear a bad word about any tiger player, well that is a very admirable quality but i dont harbour it, i am tired of mediocrity and the senseless acceptance of such by players, administration coaches and supporters.
OK now you can all rip into me but thats the way i see it and current crap is a direct result of the crap decision making, drafting lack of leadership, commitment and professionalism of the club for the past 5 -7 years, and Miller and Wallace also have to take some blame for this situation too they are not the clean skins they have professed to be this year when under scrutiny.
Yes i do think there are plenty of positives but geez there is an absolute crap load of work that needs to be done to get this joint up and running, and my question is does Wallace have the guts to cut into the list make both hard and soft decisions and get fair dinkum, or will he continue to waste time with the usual suspects who will cost him his job if he doesnt get rid of them.
Great Post 99% right
Dyer'ere said:Tiger74 said:Dyer'ere said:
This is a contradiction my friendRead what you wrote again
A contradiction? Don't reckon. ;D
If we were "the gayest club" I figure we wouldnt need anymore men and we would have plenty down back ;D
Re: Its the halfway point for the season & TW - where is the playing list really
Sorry,T74, my take: doesn't matter how many we get we still need more.
Maybe we should adjourn to the Love thread.
BTW this gayest club thing is the best thing to happen to us in years. Only pansies are afraid of being gay.
innochio 
Sorry,T74, my take: doesn't matter how many we get we still need more.
Maybe we should adjourn to the Love thread.
BTW this gayest club thing is the best thing to happen to us in years. Only pansies are afraid of being gay.
innochio 
DirtyDogTiger said:we would be 16th out of all the clubs for quality beween 22 - 26 years old.
Thanks Spud.
Exactly DDT...
Re: Its the halfway point for the season & TW - where is the playing list really
Small backs are a problem at Richmond.
The much maligned Jason Torney is classes better than anybody we've got these days. He may be mediocre but he's classes better than any small back we've got now. The easiest players to find are small backs. We punted Torney at the end of 2002. We still haven't replaced him, five years later. :headsroll :tsk
Here's what we've got:
J. King (In My Radical Opinion) IMRO our best small back. But he has not stablished himself. Just a ten gamer. How bad are the rest?
Raines, 2YB but can't kick and slow. Plays as a tall ATM at 177 and eleven stone. Great depth player.
Newman may have found a niche as a wingman. Cannot defend high class players. Not a defender IMO.
Deledio- if he does not improve a mm from her he is an elite running defender. He will, at the very least, become the AFL's best running defender. One elite defender who will still be there in three years.
I rate this list harshly. Have done for years. In 2007, this is the wooden spoon team. Or thereabouts. Weak everywhere.
Small backs are a problem at Richmond.
The much maligned Jason Torney is classes better than anybody we've got these days. He may be mediocre but he's classes better than any small back we've got now. The easiest players to find are small backs. We punted Torney at the end of 2002. We still haven't replaced him, five years later. :headsroll :tsk
Here's what we've got:
J. King (In My Radical Opinion) IMRO our best small back. But he has not stablished himself. Just a ten gamer. How bad are the rest?
Raines, 2YB but can't kick and slow. Plays as a tall ATM at 177 and eleven stone. Great depth player.
Newman may have found a niche as a wingman. Cannot defend high class players. Not a defender IMO.
Deledio- if he does not improve a mm from her he is an elite running defender. He will, at the very least, become the AFL's best running defender. One elite defender who will still be there in three years.
I rate this list harshly. Have done for years. In 2007, this is the wooden spoon team. Or thereabouts. Weak everywhere.
geoffryprettyboy said:
Terry should have chosen something else to say IMO, it was a 50 50 to come back and bite him on the bum. He could have said something like, I have chosen to coach the Tigers because I like a challenge, and left the Hawks comment alone. Great in hindsight, I know...
Re: Its the halfway point for the season & TW - where is the playing list really
I agree. Its why I put this together. People have had a crack at some of my choices and they were probably right, I have been overimpressed with recent games from Jackson and King, a couple of games does not make a consistent afl player. Too much hope.
The sad thing is that I really don't see the "light" at the end of the tunnel. How many players bulked up between this season and last and got to a playing weight? How many players improved this year vs how many players have gone backwards. How many juniors still don't look like making it and how many are we getting suspicions that they will never make it. Not pretty, but at least we can say that we will keep ditching players until we improve.
I have had one friend (roo supporter) suggest that the only way Richmond is going to do well is if we do a Hawthorn. That's nothing new but he was smart enough to recognise that we couldn't do it with our current list - not enough players of marketable value and we wouldn't have competitive side left if we tried it. His suggestion was that we had to take a really long view (none of this 2011 crap). We needed to do a double bottom out if we were ever to vault out of mediocrity (middle eight) and into the top four. Its the draft picks we are getting now and have scored recently for being shiite that become the trades of the future which allow us to "double" our picks later on - so to speak.
A very depressing strategy.
Dyer'ere said:
I agree. Its why I put this together. People have had a crack at some of my choices and they were probably right, I have been overimpressed with recent games from Jackson and King, a couple of games does not make a consistent afl player. Too much hope.
The sad thing is that I really don't see the "light" at the end of the tunnel. How many players bulked up between this season and last and got to a playing weight? How many players improved this year vs how many players have gone backwards. How many juniors still don't look like making it and how many are we getting suspicions that they will never make it. Not pretty, but at least we can say that we will keep ditching players until we improve.
I have had one friend (roo supporter) suggest that the only way Richmond is going to do well is if we do a Hawthorn. That's nothing new but he was smart enough to recognise that we couldn't do it with our current list - not enough players of marketable value and we wouldn't have competitive side left if we tried it. His suggestion was that we had to take a really long view (none of this 2011 crap). We needed to do a double bottom out if we were ever to vault out of mediocrity (middle eight) and into the top four. Its the draft picks we are getting now and have scored recently for being shiite that become the trades of the future which allow us to "double" our picks later on - so to speak.
A very depressing strategy.
Lets not freak out. So far the "bottom out" sides of Saints, Hawks, Dogs, and the Blues have won a total of ZERO grand finals with this strategy.
Until someone actually gets a flag with this plan, can we stop talking about it like its a guaranteed winner?
Until someone actually gets a flag with this plan, can we stop talking about it like its a guaranteed winner?
Re: Its the halfway point for the season & TW - where is the playing list really
What about West Coast, they essentially bottomed out under Judge got Judd etc and won the premiership. However having said that I think West Coast went about it smarter than the Saints at least (the others still being a work in progress). After the picks they got from bottoming out Thomas appeared to assume that he would only need to top up with experienced players to win the premiership and stopped concentrating on junior development and the rookie draft. One of the concerns Butterssssssssss apparently had about Thomas was that he stopped trying to develop the depth of the list in terms of young players and only concentrated on the players who were already playing seniors. Whereas West Coast have had a continual stream of younger players coming through the team.
What about West Coast, they essentially bottomed out under Judge got Judd etc and won the premiership. However having said that I think West Coast went about it smarter than the Saints at least (the others still being a work in progress). After the picks they got from bottoming out Thomas appeared to assume that he would only need to top up with experienced players to win the premiership and stopped concentrating on junior development and the rookie draft. One of the concerns Butterssssssssss apparently had about Thomas was that he stopped trying to develop the depth of the list in terms of young players and only concentrated on the players who were already playing seniors. Whereas West Coast have had a continual stream of younger players coming through the team.
Re: Its the halfway point for the season & TW - where is the playing list really
I fully subscribe to Redford's view that it is the poor quality of our drafting since 2003 that is hurting us now. I don't buy the not enough 28yos *smile* these days.
Not only did they take a lot of older players, they recruited really badly with their choices of youngsters. Ball and Riewoldt were drafted a long time ago.
Brettstigers said:
I fully subscribe to Redford's view that it is the poor quality of our drafting since 2003 that is hurting us now. I don't buy the not enough 28yos *smile* these days.
IanG said:
Not only did they take a lot of older players, they recruited really badly with their choices of youngsters. Ball and Riewoldt were drafted a long time ago.
GoodOne said:
I actually did laugh Goodone when I saw those stats. My original assertion was that he can't take a top forward yet and his role against Melbourne was as the spare man in defence so he didn't actually have a man. Happy to say I was wrong but in a tough game when he is playing on a good forward I would still be worried.
Tiger74 said:
I always thought West Coasts strength was that they mined the WAFL brilliantly and fully used their rookies all the time - its never the No. 1 picks which get you the premiership, they are just not enough, its how well you use your lower picks and rookies that get you a winning team.
Brettstigers said:
I know where you're coming from BT, but all a player can do is perform their duty as is asked of them. I don't think Polak has shirked any issue presented to him. And he is a strong mark, strong bodied and very well skilled. The classic CHB. Based on his performance this year I can't see him not being one of the best 10 tall backmen in the league, and on this basis cannot be classed as a bench player. The best forwards are a worry for the best of backmen, let alone Polak, especially with these silly new hands-in-the-back rules.