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Jayden Post

checkside said:
But that's the problem, it's not consistent. Do we see Edwards, Jackson, Vickery get dropped?
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Apples an Oranges.

Edwards and Jackson have been underwhelming without being shocking. If we had better players in their roles, these two would be pushed out of the team.

Vickery has played 2 shocking games after a full season of very, very good football. IMO he gets an extra chance or two with RFC due to his runs on the board. If he fails badly again, I would be prepared to see him dropped because virtually anyone would be better than what he has dished up so far in 2012.

Post was shocking in round 1 (as bad as Vickey). Again, virtually anyone would be better than what he has offered up. The only difference is he has no runs on the board, therefore no claims to a spot IMO.
 
martyshire said:
Apples an Oranges.

Edwards and Jackson have been underwhelming without being shocking. If we had better players in their roles, these two would be pushed out of the team.

Vickery has played 2 shocking games after a full season of very, very good football. IMO he gets an extra chance or two with RFC due to his runs on the board. If he fails badly again, I would be prepared to see him dropped because virtually anyone would be better than what he has dished up so far in 2012.

Post was shocking in round 1 (as bad as Vickey). Again, virtually anyone would be better than what he has offered up. The only difference is he has no runs on the board, therefore no claims to a spot IMO.
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If I'm not wrong Hardwick has said the team would be picked on current form. "runs on the board" shouldnt matter. It has nothing to do with current form. I beg to differ with your opinion on Jacko and Edwards, especially Jackson. Has cost us plenty of goals in the opening rounds.

The fact that these 2 are still in the team, Post was dropped after one average game and Webberley can't crack a game even with his current good form means Hardwick obviously isnt sticking to his word.
 
Baloo said:
Not all bad performances are equal.
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Something to this. Post puts in a shocker - 30 metres from goal - some pretty dire consequences.

Jackson and Edwards can make mistakes in the midfield or forward line - and the situation is redeemable.

You just can't have a kid giving it up 30 metres out. So Post gets judged differently because there are differences in the consequences of his actions compared to others. I have no problem with this.

I like Post - I hope he can come back with a full measure of confidence and take ten marks in the backline per game. But he has a lot to learn and if he keeps going back in his shell - well he'll just have to fight his way out of that state of mind at Coburg.
 
FitenFitenWin said:
Something to this. Post puts in a shocker - 30 metres from goal - some pretty dire consequences.

Jackson and Edwards can make mistakes in the midfield or forward line - and the situation is redeemable.

You just can't have a kid giving it up 30 metres out. So Post gets judged differently because there are differences in the consequences of his actions compared to others. I have no problem with this.

I like Post - I hope he can come back with a full measure of confidence and take ten marks in the backline per game. But he has a lot to learn and if he keeps going back in his shell - well he'll just have to fight his way out of that state of mind at Coburg.
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Hmm, so if you play in the forward line and stuff up a goal ala Edwards 2 metres out, or can't hit a man on his own 20 metres out from goal from 30 metres away ala Jackson, that's ok, but if you stuff up in the backline and cost a goal, that's not? Not defending Post by the way, if you don't perform you should be dropped, but after just 1 game whilst the more experienced likes of Jackson and Edwards get life after life. It doesn't seem quite fair to me but maybe Post is ignoring instructions, who really knows. Personally I'd be giving Post quite a few games to see whether he has what it takes at AFL level to then be able to make a judgement on his future at the end of the year.
 
Chiang Mai Tiger said:
My dear Baloo, no wonder other posters get stuck into you. Totally ambiguous words like this open you right up. ;D
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I must learn factspeak. Opinionspeak is just doesn't have the same authority.
 
GoodOne said:
Hmm, so if you play in the forward line and stuff up a goal ala Edwards 2 metres out, or can't hit a man on his own 20 metres out from goal from 30 metres away ala Jackson, that's ok, but if you stuff up in the backline and cost a goal, that's not?
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Hmmm, no not what I wrote at all. Have another look. But good point nonetheless. Mistakes in front of our goal can still cost us a goal. But there is a difference, I'm sure of it. I'll just need a bit of time to unravel what it is. But there is a difference - I'll come back to this. Some dinner and a white wine might help.
 
FitenFitenWin said:
Hmmm, no not what I wrote at all. Have another look. But good point nonetheless. Mistakes in front of our goal can still cost us a goal. But there is a difference, I'm sure of it. I'll just need a bit of time to unravel what it is. But there is a difference - I'll come back to this. Some dinner and a white wine might help.
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hehe, maybe you will win the 'night with coach' raffle and can ask him yourself ;D
 
checkside said:
If I'm not wrong Hardwick has said the team would be picked on current form. "runs on the board" shouldnt matter. It has nothing to do with current form. I beg to differ with your opinion on Jacko and Edwards, especially Jackson. Has cost us plenty of goals in the opening rounds.

The fact that these 2 are still in the team, Post was dropped after one average game and Webberley can't crack a game even with his current good form means Hardwick obviously isnt sticking to his word.
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I'm happy for Hardwick to state that publicly and even hold it as a vague philosophy but in reality it is very difficult to judge what 'current form' is. Is it a player's last game, last three AFL games, last three games at any level, last ten games..? In reality, at least to some extent, runs on the board do count. Like I say, I'm more than happy for this to be 'a little secret' between the coaching panel members. Nothing worse than players resting on their laurels.

I guess the difference with midfielders is their mistakes are diluted a bit because they get more of the ball and are indirectly involved in more plays. If a key defender makes three costly mistakes, that could be close to their only contribution to the game. If a midfielder makes three costly mistakes, they can still easily make a positive contribution over the course of the game through 100mins of 1%ers and effective disposals.
 
I reckon Posty is a Mark and Kick man like Sarge and now Miller.
He is too slow to recover once the ball hits the ground and seems a slow thinker too.
Play him at Full Forward and give Jack a roving forward role along with Vickery.
If those two are covered just bang it up to Posty to try and mark.
 
bringbakflemmo said:
I reckon Posty is a Mark and Kick man like Sarge and now Miller.
He is too slow to recover once the ball hits the ground and seems a slow thinker too.
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Reckon that this is a pretty good analysis but Schulz is clearly the best of the three because he's better at marking and kicking.
Post is best described as slow and along with questionable desire that's the biggest issue he has IMO.
Griffiths much more likely to make it as a key forward.
 
GoodOne said:
hehe, maybe you will win the 'night with coach' raffle and can ask him yourself ;D
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No - I'll have better questions to ask like "What's the deal with giving Jacko a free pass. Is he following orders when he makes those turnovers?"

Back to the issue at hand - it's the same reasoning as before (it's a stretch I know - but white wine only goes so far) - making a mistake in front of goal that costs us the chance to score a goal is redeemable. You never know - we may hustle the ball back in the next play phase and score the goal then. But making a mistake in the back line which costs a goal is done, it's final - you can't take it back. It's worse.
 
FitenFitenWin said:
No - I'll have better questions to ask like "What's the deal with giving Jacko a free pass. Is he following orders when he makes those turnovers?"

Back to the issue at hand - it's the same reasoning as before (it's a stretch I know - but white wine only goes so far) - making a mistake in front of goal that costs us the chance to score a goal is redeemable. You never know - we may hustle the ball back in the next play phase and score the goal then. But making a mistake in the back line which costs a goal is done, it's final - you can't take it back. It's worse.
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Hmm I see your point. A bit like being 6 points down with a minutes to go. Rather than kick a goal and risking having to get it all the way back to the forward line to kick at least another point, purposely kick the point first allowing you to keep it in your forward line from the kickout and THEN kick the winning goal. Problem I see is I'm sure if we tried to kick a point it would instead go through for a goal. Shall we move onto the red wine now?
 
GoodOne said:
Hmm I see your point. A bit like being 6 points down with a minutes to go. Rather than kick a goal and risking having to get it all the way back to the forward line to kick at least another point, purposely kick the point first allowing you to keep it in your forward line from the kickout and THEN kick the winning goal. Problem I see is I'm sure if we tried to kick a point it would instead go through for a goal. Shall we move onto the red wine now?
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Gotta be sumpin stronga in da house. I need it.
 
Baloo said:
It's my opinion. That's still allowed right, even if it differs to yours ?
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Definately.

The way you were talking in absolutes leysy thought you must have known something more.
 
Leysy Days said:
Definately.

The way you were talking in absolutes leysy thought you must have known something more.
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The Morton stuff was talked about in the media, how he needed to learn to play to th game plan.

On Post, I did say "I suspect".

Not sure what absolutes you're referring to but happy to see we agree on something.
 
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