Jordan Lewis is super SLOW

[Djevv]

I think Jordan performs best when he is right in the action, starting in the middle. But wiith Hodge spending more time in the middle and Bateman and Mitchell coming back from injury he will get less time in the middle similar to some of his games last year where he didnt get as much of the ball.

Interested in your avatar, Checkside. I have had a bit to do with Nathan Djerrkura in his younger years and of course, Junior boy is from an NT footballing Dynasty. Both got footballing scholarships to Scotch college last year. Do you have some association with them, or just want to see one of them in Tiger colours in years to come?

 

[Redford]

what about Tuck & Coughlan - id say we already have 2 similar types far better than Lewis

Hard to make that call just yet isn't it Tango and Cash ?

Coughlan will be 24 in April and Tuck is already 24. Both Tuck and Coughlan have been in the system for a few years.
Lewis is just 19 and has only been in the system for 1 year.

I love both Tuck and Coughlan, but one of their weaknesses is that they don't hit targets as often as they probably should. Tuck, for example, is in the top 10 in the AFL for ineffective kicks....isn't he Carnoustie Cub Tiger ! ?  :hihi

 

[Scoop]

Jordna Lewis is going to be a player, let's draw conclusions after two weeks of airy, fairy NAB cup.  He plays a mans style of football and is only a boy, he is yet to fill out and shape his body.  He is only in his second year but already has physicall presence, not many second year onballers can say that. He reminds me of the current Crows skipper, if he turns out half as good as Mark R the Hawks will be delighted.

Right him off at your own peril.  

And as for the Meyer, Dal Santo duo, we can only dream.

 

[Tango]

Red dog,
my point was that we already have 2 (Tuck/Cogs) bigger bodied hard at it mids, who are walk up starts in most clubs 22's - not comparing their ability with that of lewis or what he might turn out to be.
just that we need outside speed & skill to compliment these 2 (hence) tambling, JON, meyer, etc etc

when you are deficient all over the park you cant replace them at once, i believe our most pressing need over the last 2 years was outside mids with speed & skill - that has hopefully been addressed

our next most telling need is KPP (back & Fwd) as i believe ruck is ok with patto & graeme

hopefully this will be addressed in the next draft and a mix of both in the following one

 

[Redford]

Red dog,
my point was that we already have 2 (Tuck/Cogs) bigger bodied hard at it mids, who are walk up starts in most clubs 22's - not comparing their ability with that of lewis or what he might turn out to be.
just that we need outside speed & skill to compliment these 2 (hence) tambling, JON, meyer, etc etc

when you are deficient all over the park you cant replace them at once, i believe our most pressing need over the last 2 years was outside mids with speed & skill - that has hopefully been addressed

our next most telling need is KPP (back & Fwd) as i believe ruck is ok with patto & graeme

hopefully this will be addressed in the next draft and a mix of both in the following one

Yeah, fair enough Foxtrot. And don't get me wrong - I don't think Lewis is perfect or some sensation in the Judd or Deledio category. But what I still say is that in a player like Lewis, what you potentially have are two things that the Richmond Football Club has not had in years and something I hear people on PRE lamenting time and time again: a tough on-baller with a streak of nastiness in him who simultaneously has the ability to get it numerous times and dispose of it pretty well thereafter also.

He's no Michael Voss, but Geezuz has the Richmond Football Club been screaming out for a footballer of this type for years and years. A hard, aggressive and nasty nut who can knock up getting the football and inflict some pain whilst doing so, and can then execute reasonably well thereafter. 

Coughlan and Tuck are good and they have their own virtues, but they are not nasty and they don't have the level of disposal I reckon Lewis comes with. Yes, all 3 they play in and under on-ball roles, but Lewis plays it in a far different manner to Coughlan and Tuck imo.

 

[the claw]

How quick is Cameron Ling ? What about James Bartel ? Brett Kirk ? Glenn Archer ? Jason Johnson is not especially quick. Paul Haselby ? Sam Mitchell ? Possibly the best extractor in the game.

Young Bentick is as slow as a wet week but looks like being a player for Carlton. What about him ?

Pace is great and a fundamental for sure. But if you can get a lot of the footy in heavy traffic and then use it well, then it can be overlooked more than some other deficiencies can imo e.g. lack of skill by hand and foot. In the case of Lewis, he knocks up getting a lot of it, uses it pretty well, and the added bonus with him is he does it all whilst breaking some opposition bodies and providing a bit of aggression. Gee, wouldn’t we like a bit of that at Richmond ?

here here red if he was playing for the tiges ferals would be creaming their pants.

 

[the claw]

You have to be really good to get by without pace in today's game though.  I know the context is different, but it was painful to watch Broderick, Cameron and Campbell get left behind for pace even though their skills were ok.  Krakouer is in the same boat, he is too slow and I think that is one reason why his performance is enigmatic.

Yes, valid points. But apart from Broderick, the other two did not play hard-nosed, in tight roles which is what Lewis and most of the other players I've mentioned do at their clubs. I'd love one more player with some real nastiness and a solid body to play that role alongside Tuck and Coughlan.

agree again,

 

[Redford]

How quick is Cameron Ling ? What about James Bartel ? Brett Kirk ? Glenn Archer ? Jason Johnson is not especially quick. Paul Haselby ? Sam Mitchell ? Possibly the best extractor in the game.

Young Bentick is as slow as a wet week but looks like being a player for Carlton. What about him ?

Pace is great and a fundamental for sure. But if you can get a lot of the footy in heavy traffic and then use it well, then it can be overlooked more than some other deficiencies can imo e.g. lack of skill by hand and foot. In the case of Lewis, he knocks up getting a lot of it, uses it pretty well, and the added bonus with him is he does it all whilst breaking some opposition bodies and providing a bit of aggression. Gee, wouldn’t we like a bit of that at Richmond ?

here here red if he was playing for the tiges ferals would be creaming their pants.

If they're anything like that Bubbletown character, a lot of them are probably doing that anyway.

 

[craig]

We need more hard bodied contested ball winners to help Cogs Johnno and Tuck, ideally we dont want Lids playing this role and getting basshed up, and with plenty of outside types a player like Cameron Ling, or a Simon Goodwin who both lack pace would most certainly be welcome at Tigerland.
Simon Black aint exactly a Stawell Gift prospect either and neither was Roger James from Port and he was a key to their Premiership.

 

[the claw]

the name hurn rings a bell for some reason.

 

[Redford]

the name hurn rings a bell for some reason.

He's a little bit different Hurn. Big body, yes. Good skill level, yes. Can play on-ball, yes. But he doesn't play with the physicality or nastiness that I'm quite talking about.

I want a player that has a REAL mean streak in them like Archer has, like Riccuito and a few others have.... deep down inside. Those blokes create space in the traffic because if they don't get it themselves, they create a hole for team mates because they've generally barrelled a couple of opposition players out of the way in the process.

 

[Ridley]

the name hurn rings a bell for some reason.

He's a little bit different Hurn. Big body, yes. Good skill level, yes. Can play on-ball, yes. But he doesn't play with the physicality or nastiness that I'm quite talking about.

I want a player that has a REAL mean streak in them like Archer has, like Riccuito and a few others have.... deep down inside. Those blokes create space in the traffic because if they don't get it themselves, they create a hole for team mates because they've generally barrelled a couple of opposition players out of the way in the process. 

Hear hear Redding, ridiculous and inane as usual.

Um, but i do agree. I can't remember a simultaneously gifted and aggressive/nasty player at RFC since the Flea, and unfortunately he was too small to inflict the sort of physicality we're talking about. Didn't stop him trying though. Love the flea!! Before that you'd need to go back to the great RFC teams of the 60s and 70s.

Oh for just one smart, tough, skillful aggressive footballer at RFC!! IMO Ricciutto is the benchmark. I would have been very pleased with Jordan Lewis if those cards had have fallen our way. Do like Tuck and Cogs but.

 

[Redford]

the name hurn rings a bell for some reason.

He's a little bit different Hurn. Big body, yes. Good skill level, yes. Can play on-ball, yes. But he doesn't play with the physicality or nastiness that I'm quite talking about.

I want a player that has a REAL mean streak in them like Archer has, like Riccuito and a few others have.... deep down inside. Those blokes create space in the traffic because if they don't get it themselves, they create a hole for team mates because they've generally barrelled a couple of opposition players out of the way in the process. 

Hear hear Redding, ridiculous and inane as usual.

Um, but i do agree. I can't remember a simultaneously gifted and aggressive/nasty player at RFC since the Flea, and unfortunately he was too small to inflict the sort of physicality we're talking about. Didn't stop him trying though. Love the flea!! Before that you'd need to go back to the great RFC teams of the 60s and 70s.

Oh for just one smart, tough, skillful aggressive footballer at RFC!! IMO Ricciutto is the benchmark. I would have been very pleased with Jordan Lewis if those cards had have fallen our way. Do like Tuck and Cogs but.

Yeah, thanks for that Chimpley. Good to see you are still riding my golden coat tails - even if it still means having to put up with your absurdity on account of the tight shorts you insist on wearing that cut off the blood supply to your brain.

But yes. What for a tough, nasty, well-skilled and smart on-baller at the RFC. I larger sized Flea would be great.

 

[checkside]

I think Jordan performs best when he is right in the action, starting in the middle. But wiith Hodge spending more time in the middle and Bateman and Mitchell coming back from injury he will get less time in the middle similar to some of his games last year where he didnt get as much of the ball.

Interested in your avatar, Checkside. I have had a bit to do with Nathan Djerrkura in his younger years and of course, Junior boy is from an NT footballing Dynasty. Both got footballing scholarships to Scotch college last year. Do you have some association with them, or just want to see one of them in Tiger colours in years to come?

Both really. My cousin go's to scotch and is in year 11 with Junior, i think its junior but it could be Nathan and is good friends with both. Both are nice guys, bit shy though. I would love both at Tigerlad

 

[Dyer'ere]

Hear hear Redding, ridiculous and inane as usual.

Um, but i do agree. I can't remember a simultaneously gifted and aggressive/nasty player at RFC since the Flea, and unfortunately he was too small to inflict the sort of physicality we're talking about. Didn't stop him trying though. Love the flea!! Before that you'd need to go back to the great RFC teams of the 60s and 70s.

Oh for just one smart, tough, skillful aggressive footballer at RFC!! IMO Ricciutto is the benchmark. I would have been very pleased with Jordan Lewis if those cards had have fallen our way. Do like Tuck and Cogs' butt.

You're cramping Anduril's style, Ridley.

Lewis could go either way IMO. He looks very young ATM. He's 20 in April.

The lack of speed is not necessarily an issue provided he can cement an inside midfiled spot. But if he can't there's really only a zoning HBF role awaiting, you'd reckon. If that.

He's genuinely unpleasant, will absorb punishment as well as dish it out and can use the footy. I haven't had a look at his right foot. And how he goes head on for loose ball. In particular I'd like to spend some time watching how much leather het can win when Mitchell's in there and how it affects their setup to have two of similar type in at the same time.

 

[the golden]

he is not well at the moment i would say may be he was not well then either as he was not at jumper presentation on sunday due to illness

 

[Djevv]

I think Jordan performs best when he is right in the action, starting in the middle. But wiith Hodge spending more time in the middle and Bateman and Mitchell coming back from injury he will get less time in the middle similar to some of his games last year where he didnt get as much of the ball.

Interested in your avatar, Checkside. I have had a bit to do with Nathan Djerrkura in his younger years and of course, Junior boy is from an NT footballing Dynasty. Both got footballing scholarships to Scotch college last year. Do you have some association with them, or just want to see one of them in Tiger colours in years to come?

Both really. My cousin go's to scotch and is in year 11 with Junior, i think its junior but it could be Nathan and is good friends with both. Both are nice guys, bit shy though. I would love both at Tigerlad

My memory of Nathan, who attended the school I teach at, is of a super-athlete, who was quite solidly built for a young bloke. I know more about him as a rugby player than a footy player through talking to his coach. He reckoned once Nathan had the ball you could virtually put your glasses down. Nobody could catch him!

His footy coach also had a huge wrap on him being, so he said, a certainty to make it in the AFL. He will be in year 12 this year so might make an appearance in the draft!

Hope GM and company has their eyes on one or both of these boys!

 

[Ian4]

not sure of the point of this thread