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Judd won't play Round 1
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TigerForce said:
If you want to compete long term with the interstate clubs then these traditional rival clubs need to prosper to get on free to air coverage and maximixe crowds, tv audience and sponsorship and PR spin.
Thats the only real advantage of Melb clubs now and having traditional rivals. The home ground advantage is gone and all finals being played at the G is gone. 10 clubs have to share the Vic market and that just does not cut it against the interstate teams who have more members and more sponsorship.
Collingwood are on the up and so are Hawthorn. Essendon, Richmond and Carlton have had a few lean years and it hurts all of them and they lose ground to WC and others. Its all about facilities, paying 100% of the cap, full rookie lists and your recruiting, medical team and footy admin. It all adds up each year and why the gap widens.
You want to close the gap then you use the draft to its utmost and develop the players. Richmond have changed staff and are spending more and this will help but to sustain it long term the G needs to be packed for these traditional rival games. Its good for all these clubs. The Pies dont need the help but some of the others do. Including Richmond.
Yes I know Richmond had great crowds last year. They also did not have great membership numbers compared to some of the big clubs. Time for Richmond to push up to the mid 30s thousands this year or the next year.
A win in round 1 would help this a great deal but its having a huge rivallry with Carlton when both are strong sides is what will boost numbers long term. The Judd deal should help this and will generate interest for round 1.
mojo31 said:
I know what you're saying mojo, but unfortunately we will never have that great VFL feel of our game anymore.
If Scumton, Scumwood, Essenscum and us hit the peak together, it still won't be the feel of pre-90's football to me. But that's me anyway.
Packed MCG and versus any of those three always gets my heart pumping.TigerForce said:
We are already on track for 32,000+ members this year. Good early form is critical to keep the growth momentum going. A win against Carlton with Judd in would do wonders for the cause.
Just keep posting here, mojo, you owe it to your fans! ;D
Don't take any notice of posters wishing players would break an arm or whatever. I certainly don't wish that misfortune on any player.
Sure you'll get sniped at because you admitted to being a Carlton supporter. So what, post and be damned because I enjoy your input.
Don't take any notice of posters wishing players would break an arm or whatever. I certainly don't wish that misfortune on any player.
Sure you'll get sniped at because you admitted to being a Carlton supporter. So what, post and be damned because I enjoy your input.
"mojo" must be doing "market research" on what makes a "great club" and "supporter base".
Bring on Round 1...................... and the rest :happy
Bring on Round 1...................... and the rest :happy
Growl said:
Not really sure what to make of wishing a player would break his arm due to the guernsey they wear. Because thats all it is all said and done. Maybe to get a reaction but to repeat it again. Oh well its the sort of thing you get on forums I suppose.
As I have said before I used to support Carlton. I still take an interst in them due to knowing people but it wanes with my loyalties elsehwere. But with both clubs rebuilding I try and use them as an example when comparing clubs as well as Hawthorn who I used to post on their forums as well and stick to a few clubs that I am able to comment on rather than get involved in things I cannot comment on.
It may come across as "barracking" but if you would have read some of my posts over the last 2 years critisizing them and their development then you might think otherwise. I was huge anti- Pagan from the end of 2005 and about their lack of development. Off field and on field and just about everything they have done.
I would like Pratt to step down as soon as possible and want Sticks gone as well as some others.
I dont agree with their premise of playing Waite at CHB this year and want him played forward. I did not want lance as capatin and wanted him traded in 2005 as he thought his body would be finished very quickly. I do not agree with some of the trading and recruiting deals. Ackland was one I hated. Saddington I would have cut last year and think he has no future and I would not play him for any senior game this year.
Kennedy I do not rate very highly. Great kid and will be decent but I dont think is athletic or skilled enough to be a quality KP player long term.
I could go on and on and have at different times. I just think they did really well out of the Judd deal and Judd will play round 1. They kept pick 1 and got Kreuzer and traded a decent KP prospect and 3 and 20 in a weak draft.
3 was not going to be Cotchin who they would have loved to get so it was a very good deal. He is on 750k around abouts plus marketing which is pretty significant and takes him over 1 million. It is not a huge burden for them as 750k goes into the cap only. Long term and they are still not at 100% of the cap. So anyone thinking they will raid the clubs players in the upcoming years may be dissapointed. jUdd pays for himself in jumper sales and marketing and publicity, crowds and memberships. Just a question of salary cap long term and they have thought about it long and hard.
Red Sea Tiger said:
Members, crowds, history, premierships would be where you might start with that sort of thing.
Carlton are expecting 40000 members this year and are 5000 up on last year at the same time when they had 35000.
Just depends if you want to bring up the salary cap cheating and talk about Elliot or talk about the 100 odd years of the club as a whole.
Depends if you want to use the word tank in some sort of word play or not I suppose. Depends if you want to talk about Pratt and card board bozes or not.
Plenty of ammunition for opposition supporters to fire away with. But at the end of the day they have been a great club with a lot of success who have come out of a dark time and used the draft rules to rebuild. Something they have not embraced and been punished because of it. Now they do use all the rules they are accused of cheating.
If the AFL is going to have priority picks then its open to accusations. Its impossible to prove and just innendo and hearsay and opinions. But it taints the game and it is going on in subtle ways. Its not cheating or tanking but players getting operations who need them and clubs experimenting with positions and young players and fats tracking development.
Pies, Hawks and Carlton have done it in the last 3 years. At least those 3 clubs. It has not won anyone a flag and maybe it wont do.
Even if Judd does play Rd 1 he'll be underdone. Be very interesting to see how he handles not having the same calibre of players around him as he did at West Coast.
CarnTheTiges said:
Judd, Stevens, Carrazzo, Murphy, Scotland are their 5 best midfielders. Not a bad start really. They have Gibbs, Walker and Simpson, Hadley as well who will play in there at times.
Bentick, Jackson, Pheiffer and a few others are on the fringes.
They are going to struggle in the ruck. Hampson will get first crack at it. He has come on very quickly but has a lot to learn. Ackland and Cloke are gap fillers while Kreuzer and Aisake take time to develop.
They are also going to have to piece a spine together. They have a lot of young talls but most are unproven and it will take a while to sort though them. 2 to 3 years really.
The main risk is their 3 best players are Judd, Fevola and Stevens and all are coming off operations. Thats the risk. None are close to 30 but operations and 2 of them serious means thats the risk. So far the 3 are on track.
premiers08 said:Let's just change this thread to the "We love you Mojo31". :inlove :inlove :inlove
Too much time on your hands Prem08? ;D
Like a few others I like the cut of Mojo's arguments (well most of the time
) - not a classical Carlton moron..............mooooooiiiiiiiite. I too hope Juddy plays (especially for ToO
)- always want to beat a team at their best - that's the true measure - the rest is bullsh1t.Don't underestimate Carlton's midfield early in the season say I - mojo beat me to it but they have better, more mature options the us quite frankily, and a couple of class kids coming on.
stevens played well beyond himself in that game, wont do it again but i would like to see judd play in rnd1.Col.W.Kurtz said:
if we beat them with judd all the more gratifying.
mojo31 said:
Sorry for coming into this late, but the one big difference between RFC and the clubs you listed is that they have had success in the past decade or two, you have to go back further for us.
As a club we have forgotten how to win, and more importantly, as a supporter base we now struggle to get the next generation to keep the faith.
This is important, because situations like Judd and the Blues tank just twist the knife that little more. Everytime it seems we make a little progress, or the pack is falling back, something like the Carltank, the Pies bidding war of the 80's, or incompetance of our admin in the 90's drives us back to the curb.
RFC people hating Judd is not that illogical, because its a reminder that another bottoming out club is on the rise, while we continue to wallow. It may not be nice, but when you are the most unsuccessful club of the AFL outside Fitzroy for the past 25 years, lashing out can happen.
Even with Judd in our side we would still struggle to beat Carlton. We have no system, no pride and woeful skills. Our players dont work hard enough for each other, dont respect the jumper and clearly the senior passengers have no idea.
But boy would I love to be proved consistenly wrong!
But boy would I love to be proved consistenly wrong!