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Kamdyn McIntosh

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Watching slo mo replay of incident Rampe turns side on bumping Kmac to the head
Flog Gary Lyon immediately says nothing in it all legit...typical
Rampe should be reported as bump connected with Kmacs head leaving him concussed
Yep. He could've avoided the head and 'tried' to tackle.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Thought Rampe turned side-on to avoid illegal front-on contact. Reckon our blokes would've remonstrated if they saw anything suspect about it, even on such a lacklustre day. KMac's kamikaze attack on the ball in a no-win situation is to be commended.
 
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tigersnake

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It’s obvious that the head is sacrosanct unless that head belongs to a Richmond player. Vlastuin 2 games in a row now Kmac.

It was an accident but he was still hit in the head. Yet somehow the free kick is against us??? And our bloke misses at least one game after almost being taken off on a stretcher!

*smile* unbelievable.
It is un smiling believable. I'm still ropeable about it. Incompetence and bias. The commentators said nothing about it. They did the usual 'brave play hope he's ok' etc as he was leaving the ground. Then Kamdyn exits, play starts and one of them says swans have the free, then silence. You could hear them all thinking WTF? But all to hard to grapple with, so they didn't. They just moved on as play continued, no discussion. Amazing. Play on would have been acceptable, but free to them? seriously?
 
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DavidSSS

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According to the rules, if you impact another player's head you are to be cited and appear before the tribunal. Same applies to both incidents where Vlastuin got hit in the head - the Dangerfield incident and the one in the Carlton game.

In this case I reckon Rampe would probably be ok, it was quick, McIntosh bent over to get the ball. In the case with Dangerfield he led with his elbow (at the very least) and should have been rubbed out (there's an Adelaide player with concussion as a result of the non-decision on that one).

But, the salient point is, the head is hit, the player gets reported and the tribunal decides if there is an infringement and a penalty. The rules are crystal clear on this.

Clearly it is too much to ask the AFL to follow the rules they themselves wrote.

DS
 
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According to the rules, if you impact another player's head you are to be cited and appear before the tribunal. Same applies to both incidents where Vlastuin got hit in the head - the Dangerfield incident and the one in the Carlton game.

In this case I reckon Rampe would probably be ok, it was quick, McIntosh bent over to get the ball. In the case with Dangerfield he led with his elbow (at the very least) and should have been rubbed out (there's an Adelaide player with concussion as a result of the non-decision on that one).

But, the salient point is, the head is hit, the player gets reported and the tribunal decides if there is an infringement and a penalty. The rules are crystal clear on this.

Clearly it is too much to ask the AFL to follow the rules they themselves wrote.

DS
Well said DS. Where's the formality they should follow? These flogs just had a field day staring at the Swans arses yesterday. We, Richmond, even pay fines for the softest of citings or reportings.
 

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Thought Rampe turned side-on to avoid illegal front-on contact. Reckon our blokes would've remonstrated if they saw anything suspect about it, even on such a lacklustre day. KMac's kamikaze attack on the ball in a no-win situation is to be commended.
It doesn't matter if he spun a 720 ' the head was hit GONE..
 

DavidSSS

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Well said DS. Where's the formality they should follow? These flogs just had a field day staring at the Swans arses yesterday. We, Richmond, even pay fines for the softest of citings or reportings.

What I really don't get is that this is precisely what makes them vulnerable to being sued. They understand the risks, information is incomplete, they can argue that the rules they have put in place are a reasonable response to the identified risk. When they don't follow their own rules they are wide open to legal action.

DS
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Dangerfield hit on Vlastuin was reviewed. While I believe it was a separate and deliberate striking motion from Dangerfield, I can understand why they gave him the benefit of the doubt.
The incident between Geelong Cats' Patrick Dangerfield and Richmond's Nick Vlastuin from the first quarter of Saturday's game between Richmond and the Geelong Cats was assessed. The ball is loose. Vlastuin and Dangerfield approach the ball from opposing directions. Dangerfield punches the ball and in the process makes high contact to Vlastuin. It was the view of the MRO that Dangerfield's actions were not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.
Think this one will also get a mention as "assessed, no action taken".
 

123cups

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Can you be KO'd and not suffer concussion?

Nope, and that’s already quite far past the line for concussion.

Balance is the most obvious sign for us supporters to notice. Anytime someone looks wobbly after a head hit, their brain will show changes for 12 months.

Most of the recovery happens within days, and then months, with about 95% recovery happening within 2 months. A range of deficits (coordination for one) will be reduced for weeks, gradually healing week by week. Additional head knocks can cause a lot of trouble during this time, like returning from a hammy and feeling the hammy tighten up. Keep running and you risk tearing it worse than before.

Does anyone remember if he copped any head knocks during the first 2 rounds this year?
 
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tigerlove

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My point is don't these flogs go through the formality of reporting or citing a player who concusses another?

In this case, it was despicable to even pay a free against Dash Kam.
Sorry I thought your point was Rampe could have avoided the head. No I don't believe it's a formality. This is very different imo to say the Dangerfield case. Totally accidental and I don't think anyone wants players being suspended through no fault of their own.
 
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Mr Brightside

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2 tough players going hard at the ball, that’s what our game was built on, sadly sometimes someone’s going to get hurt.

Anyone know what the free was for ?
 

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Dangerfield hit on Vlastuin was reviewed. While I believe it was a separate and deliberate striking motion from Dangerfield, I can understand why they gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Think this one will also get a mention as "assessed, no action taken".
Reckon you've got it right there L2R2R. Only one issue I have with both scenarios. No free kick for the head high contact. Hundreds of times a weekend, players accidentally fall into an opponents back as they lurch forward when tackled. Tackles accidentally slip high as players shrug off the tackler. Players accidentally dispose of the ball incorrectly as they are tackled. Free kick, free kick, maybe free kick.

Richmond player gets decrapitated yet it's nothing to see here, play on at best. Something seriously wrong between the mealy mouthed *smile* that dribbles from the flogs in suits at H.Q. and the way the umpires are interpreting and adjudicating the head contact rules.
 
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spook

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I love KMac, but this incident is exactly what the old saying "never put your head where your arse will fit" was designed to prevent. Rampe's action was pretty much old school textbook. Unfortunately, 'the head is sacrosanct' mantra now incentivises players to lead with their heads.
 
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Jason King

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I love KMac, but this incident is exactly what the old saying "never put your head where your arse will fit" was designed to prevent. Rampe's action was pretty much old school textbook. Unfortunately, 'the head is sacrosanct' mantra now incentivises players to lead with their heads.
Im legitimately struggling to see how it was below the knees contact against Kam. I might be biased but all I see is Kam reaching for the pill and none of his body impacts Rampe below his waist let alone the knees.
 

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Im legitimately struggling to see how it was below the knees contact against Kam. I might be biased but all I see is Kam reaching for the pill and none of his body impacts Rampe below his waist let alone the knees.
Oh, yeah. No way was it a free against Kaps.
 

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Didn’t the ball spill out, then was kicked and a Swan marked, then the umps stopped play because of KMac’s injury? Once play resumed, the Swan had the ball.
 

TigerMasochist

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I love KMac, but this incident is exactly what the old saying "never put your head where your arse will fit" was designed to prevent. Rampe's action was pretty much old school textbook. Unfortunately, 'the head is sacrosanct' mantra now incentivises players to lead with their heads.
Old style 60's n 70's footy where if you were stupid enough to stick your head in the hole, an opponent was entitled to attempt to remove it for ya n then hand it back on a plate.
Game's changed a hell of a lot since then n with the drier faster grounds and increased congestion around the ball players would be getting wheely binned off the ground every time they go near a ground ball.
No choice but to make the head a sacred site and supposedly protect the first player in with his head down trying to get the pill.
Pity it's never a rule when a Richmond player gets his sacred site trampled upon.
 
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