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DavidSSS

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Was paid as a free against KMac for below the knees contact, woeful decision as the KMac did not contact Rampe below the knees. How these umpires keep getting games I don't know.

As for the head hit, the rules state that this should go straight to the tribunal for adjudication, there is no discretion in the rules as written by the AFL. Then it is up to the tribunal to assess whether it was just in the play or the player who laid the hit could have avoided collecting the head.

We can agree to disagree on individual incidents, I reckon Dangerfield in the GF at the very least led with his elbow, Rampe I reckon was a classic in play incident. But this is for the tribunal to decide, not the MRP or anyone else, it is a mandatory visit to the tribunal.

But getting the AFL to abide by the very rules they write is an impossible task.

DS
 
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zippadeee

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Hopefully flappers comes out of this Ok.
Getting knocked out is harder to recover from then doing your knee.
 

RoarEmotion

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The only thing that needs to be looked at is why the dumpire, didn't pay Kmac a free and why he paid it for Rampe.
When you see Selwood duck and headbut people and get frees and then you see super grover put his had over the ball to try and pick it up and get this it is rage Inducing
 
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DavidSSS

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The rules on this are clear and state:

22.1 OBLIGATION TO REPORT
22.1.1 to Controlling Body
An Umpire shall report to the Controlling Body any Player or Official who commits or
engages in conduct which may constitute a Reportable Offence:
(a) during a Match; or
(b) on the day of the Match and Within the Immediate Proximity of the Arena where
the Match is conducted.
22.1.2 Other Appointed Persons
In addition to an Umpire, a Controlling Body may authorise a person or persons to report
any Player or Official who commits or engages in conduct which may constitute a
Reportable Offence. Any person so authorised shall have the same powers and duties
as imposed upon an Umpire under this Law 22.

The rule does not say that the umpire or other appointed person "may" report a player who engages in conduct which may constitute a reportable offence, the word used is shall report there is no discretion. This is as it should be, a report is just stating that the umpire or official has observed an incident which needs to be looked at.

Whether Rampe or Dangerfield for that matter should be penalised is for the tribunal to decide. They should be cited.

This rule is clearly to protect players and is part of addressing the concussion issues. With a rule that says any incident which is reportable shall be reported the AFL is protecting itself by having a rule in place to try and prevent concussions. However, if there are situations where players do get knocked out and the rules are not followed then the AFL is going to get law suits, and they will lose the law suits, because their defence that they have rules in place to prevent this as far as practicable does not apply because they did not follow their rules. With the concussion issues getting more prominent I will be surprised if a player being knocked out doesn't become an automatic visit to the tribunal in years to come, otherwise the AFL will just open itself up to being sued.

Part of the issue (as per usual) here is the inconsistency of applying the rules. One player gets knocked out and the response is immediate and decisive, another player gets knocked out and nothing happens. They really need to fix this up as it happens too often and players are suffering ill effects for decades.

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AngryAnt

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No way should Rampe be cited at all, he was playing the ball and was not even looking at Grover. Kam was bravely leaning forward attempting to tap the ball out and fell into Rampe coming the other way.

There was no bump or strike from Rampe and he showed due concern when Kam went down.
 
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DavidSSS

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No way should Rampe be cited at all, he was playing the ball and was not even looking at Grover. Kam was bravely leaning forward attempting to tap the ball out and fell into Rampe coming the other way.

There was no bump or strike from Rampe and he showed due concern when Kam went down.

Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.

DS
 
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Happened in front of me. Heard a sickening cracking sound. For a moment, I thought the worst. Was very happy to see him move his leg. Get back soon KMac!
 
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AngryAnt

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Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.

DS

My interpretation of the rules differs from yours. There was no reportable offence IMO.

Rampe played the ball, KMac (bravely) fell forward to reach the ball. Pure accident. There is nothing in the current rules to say if a player is knocked out another player should be reported.
 

eZyT

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Happened in front of me. Heard a sickening cracking sound. For a moment, I thought the worst. Was very happy to see him move his leg. Get back soon KMac!

Rampe obviously heard and felt the nasty sound too.

he was extremely concerned immediately.

Admirable sportsmanship, the antithesis of Dangerfield, from Rampe
 
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eZyT

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Rampe did nothing wrong. The ump on the other hand...

I didn't know Kmac got penalised for getting an accidental hip to the brain until just now!

what's surprising, in the context of all this,

is they didnt pay 50m against him for lying when told to 'stand'

I wonder if a recipient player has ever refused a totally absurd free kick?
 
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5SKULL5

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They really must be out to get us. Vlastuin twice and now Kmac, hit in the head, without 1 free kick.
Not to mention that insane free kick against Nank.
Also did anyone else notice the Fox camera and sound guys run onto the ground to record a Swans goal in the last quarter? They just ran upto the goal celebration huddle like they knew it was going to happen.
 

seven

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anyone in the media yet had a potshot at K-mac and Richmond for trying to exploit the sub rule?
 

eZyT

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Also did anyone else notice the Fox camera and sound guys run onto the ground to record a Swans goal in the last quarter? They just ran upto the goal celebration huddle like they knew it was going to happen.

YES. saw it on TV. my whole family were looking at each other going

'is that a drone flying around The G? WTF'

never seen anything like it.

Im certain the rules of the game forbid anyone other than players, umpires and club support (water/runners) entering the field of play.
 

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The rules on this are clear and state:



The rule does not say that the umpire or other appointed person "may" report a player who engages in conduct which may constitute a reportable offence, the word used is shall report there is no discretion. This is as it should be, a report is just stating that the umpire or official has observed an incident which needs to be looked at.

Whether Rampe or Dangerfield for that matter should be penalised is for the tribunal to decide. They should be cited.

This rule is clearly to protect players and is part of addressing the concussion issues. With a rule that says any incident which is reportable shall be reported the AFL is protecting itself by having a rule in place to try and prevent concussions. However, if there are situations where players do get knocked out and the rules are not followed then the AFL is going to get law suits, and they will lose the law suits, because their defence that they have rules in place to prevent this as far as practicable does not apply because they did not follow their rules. With the concussion issues getting more prominent I will be surprised if a player being knocked out doesn't become an automatic visit to the tribunal in years to come, otherwise the AFL will just open itself up to being sued.

Part of the issue (as per usual) here is the inconsistency of applying the rules. One player gets knocked out and the response is immediate and decisive, another player gets knocked out and nothing happens. They really need to fix this up as it happens too often and players are suffering ill effects for decades.

DS

Not sure about your issue
If it’s reportable it must be reported - understood
But this wasn’t clear cut reportable
Time to move on
 

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Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.

DS
Yep, but the victim is a Richmond player, so they won't give a stuff.
 

Dont Argue

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YES. saw it on TV. my whole family were looking at each other going

'is that a drone flying around The G? WTF'

never seen anything like it.

Im certain the rules of the game forbid anyone other than players, umpires and club support (water/runners) entering the field of play.
Agree completely,
I was at the ground and couldn’t believe what I was seeing. A Swans assistant coach running around with a camera on his shoulder pretending he was videoing the players whilst instructing the players what to do!
Highly exaggerated point but the potential of abusing the rules is massive. What on earth is happening to our great game? It’s really getting difficult to love this ever evolving AFL.
 
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