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Kamdyn McIntosh

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.
I get what you're saying but I'm not big on going through the motions. However I can't find any MRO report on our match, or even one on yesterday's where Hartigan clocked Hawkins. Rohan got two weeks for less.
 

RoarEmotion

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YES. saw it on TV. my whole family were looking at each other going

'is that a drone flying around The G? WTF'

never seen anything like it.

Im certain the rules of the game forbid anyone other than players, umpires and club support (water/runners) entering the field of play.
I was at the ground. There are definitely suspension wires with motor driven cameras on them on the MCC side of the ground. My daughter noticed them. I haven’t watched the replay but these cameras could definitely get pretty close to some of the action and look like you are right in it. If the footage showed cameramen on the ground then that is something else.
 

DavidSSS

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My interpretation of the rules differs from yours. There was no reportable offence IMO.

Rampe played the ball, KMac (bravely) fell forward to reach the ball. Pure accident. There is nothing in the current rules to say if a player is knocked out another player should be reported.

Yeah, typical of AFL Rules they are open to interpretation.

I do think they will eventually be forced into doing something like citing every incident when a player gets knocked out. With the info coming out about Polly Farmer, Tuck, Frawley etc they have to do something. The advantage of a rule where someone knocked out means it gets looked at later is that it is more clear cut. What would also need to happen is an attitude change where a player who gets cited and the tribunal finds the incident was a genuine accident doesn't lose their reputation. Tricky issue in Australian Rules, it is fast and 360 degrees so there will be accidents. Rampe played the ball, but concussion is a big issue and a difficult issue in our game, so we need to be dealing with this or the game may really get to the point where bumping is outlawed.

DS
 
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eZyT

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I was at the ground. There are definitely suspension wires with motor driven cameras on them on the MCC side of the ground. My daughter noticed them. I haven’t watched the replay but these cameras could definitely get pretty close to some of the action and look like you are right in it. If the footage showed cameramen on the ground then that is something else.

I only saw the perspective from the camera.

but Sydney kicked a goal, and the camera angle did a full 360 degree lap, seemingly at ground level, around the celebrating players IN THE FIELD OF PLAY.

it didnt seem like it could be wires, I think they would have garrotted a player. My first thought was a drone? (I have actually been struck by a drone, requiring stitches!!)

other posters at the game suggest it was a human holding a camera.

Thats actually a pretty big issue IMO.
 
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mjb

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I only saw the perspective from the camera.

but Sydney kicked a goal, and the camera angle did a full 360 degree lap, seemingly at ground level, around the celebrating players IN THE FIELD OF PLAY.

other posters at the game suggest it was a human holding a camera.

Thats actually a pretty big issue IMO.
Fox have a camera crew that run onto the ground after each goal this season.
 

eZyT

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Fox have a camera crew that run onto the ground after each goal this season.

you are *smile* kidding!!!!

the AFL must have rewritten the rules about entering the field of play.

its one of the most crucial rules of the game, along with thou shall not touch an umpire,

because it prevents nutcases entering the field of play.

Im going to look into this. where does it go next? Fox have a camera team in the centre square? parents in junior matches wander onto the ground for a photo while little Johnny Ines up for a goal?

taboos are usually taboos for a good reason,

and anyone other than umpires and players and designated team officials entering the field of play,

is a taboo
 

mjb

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you are *smile* kidding!!!!

the AFL must have rewritten the rules about entering the field of play.

its one of the most crucial rules of the game, along with thou shall not touch an umpire,

because it prevents nutcases entering the field of play.

Im going to look into this. where does it go next? Fox have a camera team in the centre square? parents in junior matches wander onto the ground for a photo while little Johnny Ines up for a goal?

taboos are usually taboos for a good reason,

and anyone other than umpires and players and designated team officials entering the field of play,

is a taboo
Made possible, in part, by extending the time before the bounce to 50 seconds

Only Fox though, not 7.
 

T-Shirt Tommy

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Fox have a camera crew that run onto the ground after each goal this season.

Next thing they'll have a camera and microphone in the face of a player kicking for goal asking him about his kicking technique and thought processes.
 

eZyT

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FYI

Dear AFL,

I have been an AFL participant and viewer for nearly 50 years.

It came to my attention on the weekend, watching the coverage of Sydney V Richmond,

That a camera crew (Fox?) apparently entered the field of play after a Sydney goal,

And broadcast a close up of a Sydney goal celebration.

Over all the years in my participation in the game as a player, coach and viewer, I always understood that anyone other than Players, Umpires and the participating teams runners

Entering the field of play, was a serious offence, for good reason ( to both protect and not obstruct players and umpires)

The Laws of Australian Football state,
6. TEAM OFFICIALS AND TEAM RUNNER
  1. 6.1 CONTROLLING BODY TO REGULATE
    A Controlling Body shall adopt rules which:
    1. (a) specify the times and occasions when an Official and Team Runner may enter the Playing Surface; and
    2. (b) identify the tasks or duties which such persons may perform when on the Playing Surface.

Under those same rules, does a camera crew constitute an Official or a Team Runner?

Official: includes but is not limited to an officer, coach, assistant coach, trainer, runner, employee or any person performing any duties (paid or unpaid) for or on behalf of a Club or Team.

Can you please confirm

1. If this occurred?,
2. If it breached The AFL Laws of Australian Football?

Your sincerely,

EZY
 
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Tigerhealer

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Fox have a camera crew that run onto the ground after each goal this season.
wow that is amazing !

in my time at the club the AFL wanted to reduce the number of staff on the ground ( trainers , runners and docs/physios)
we would even be picked up if we got off the ground slowly ( the game at the dome against the cats when they kicked almost 30 goals to half time comes to mind)
Foxtel put cameras on the caps of the goal umpires, and even the now gone head trainer matt pierce, it didnt work with him because he bobbles his head like Mike Sheahan lol
i guess if you throw enough money at the AFL you can get anything
 
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TigerMasochist

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I was at the ground. There are definitely suspension wires with motor driven cameras on them on the MCC side of the ground. My daughter noticed them. I haven’t watched the replay but these cameras could definitely get pretty close to some of the action and look like you are right in it. If the footage showed cameramen on the ground then that is something else.
Don't they use that motorised suspension camera for the cricket matches. Raise it up out of the way during play, but they can drop it right down n use it for interviews during stoppages in play.
 

TT33

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Don't they use that motorised suspension camera for the cricket matches. Raise it up out of the way during play, but they can drop it right down n use it for interviews during stoppages in play.


It's been used at the footy for a few years now too. I can remember it in 2019
 

momentai

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Yeah, typical of AFL Rules they are open to interpretation.

I do think they will eventually be forced into doing something like citing every incident when a player gets knocked out. With the info coming out about Polly Farmer, Tuck, Frawley etc they have to do something. The advantage of a rule where someone knocked out means it gets looked at later is that it is more clear cut. What would also need to happen is an attitude change where a player who gets cited and the tribunal finds the incident was a genuine accident doesn't lose their reputation. Tricky issue in Australian Rules, it is fast and 360 degrees so there will be accidents. Rampe played the ball, but concussion is a big issue and a difficult issue in our game, so we need to be dealing with this or the game may really get to the point where bumping is outlawed.

DS
Great idea and entirely appropriate.

Under present arrangements Hocking receives a recommendation from Christian and then makes the decision about who is fined or suspended, or reported on to the tribunal.
The game is as fast as it has ever been and most players are going after a possession with more speed and strength than has been the case in the past.

The system for deciding who gets a pass is unsatisfactory perhaps in part because there is such a fine line in determining intent.
A tribunal that starts with its focus on the victim and the injury sustained is much more likely to reach consistent results than is achieved under the present system.
 
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Smoking Aces

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Missed his big body and gut running tonight. Such a crucial player to how we play.
 
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Mr Brightside

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Hopefully he’s feeling back to normal and will be right to go next week , was a KMac kind of game tonight
 
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theglove3

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Welcome back Kapsy/Kmac/Grover/Pinjarra/ArmFlappingMCGWingPatroller.
Hopefully passes concussion protocols.
And when they get you to read the scoreboard don't say Richmond is 3 wickets down for 333. :))
 
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