Kamdyn McIntosh

[Brodders17]

No chance K-mac is gonna be as good as Cripps.
Very little chance Dusty is gonna win the brownlow.
Dusty is a very very good sweeper mid but absolute dynamite as fwd/mid.
We are a finals team with Dusty as a mid.
But if our mids are big enough and strong enough to compete with the best without Dusty and he becomes our finisher alongside Jack and friends then that is when you become a finals winning fwd line.

Same with Deledio and why I ripped everyone for years when he played as a mid at the contest. Both Lids and Dusty are above average mids but waaaaaaayyyyy above average fwds (or in Lids case, HB, wing, HF). So, you can replace them in the mids with a slight downgrade (e.g. K-Mac and Miles) but you still have the monster advantage in the fwd line that results in significantly higher scoring percentage on inside 50''s. Net value to the team is way higher.

i think you are selling Martin way short by calling him a sweeper, or just an above average mid. at present he is winning the contested ball, plus uncontested and using it well, and to suggest McIntosh (who has probably never attended a CB at AFL) a slight downgrade is ridiculous.
also, our best clearance winning % last year was with Lids in the Centre square.

on McIntosh, he has the size but he is not a one-touch player. he fumbles. in space, or in a one-on-one he fumbles in front of himself to keep control, but in packs he wont have that luxury.

 

[Rancey18]

Wouldnt mind it a least being trialled.

 

[BiddiscombeSkills]

I know everyone gets excited at his outside running ability but his disposal is not elite so I would love to see him come back and be given a go as a big bodied inside mid.
I know we have Midget Miles, Midget Cotch (gun), midget Edwards (nice for cameos) and midget Conca (how do you spell turnover) on his way back in the twos but just would love to see this big agro West Australian be thrown in the middle for some chunky punky size at the contest and see what happens. He's got big brass kahoonas but they are wasted swinging on the wing when his outside disposal is not elite. Bit of Tucky Mach 2.... and then Vlaustuin, who is also not huge, can play cameo middle spots and allow Dusty to play more forward.

Yep, like your thinking. K-Mac's size/shape always makes me think of Kennedy. Big strong angry midfielders with awesome endurance... we need more of them.

 

[leon]

No chance K-mac is gonna be as good as Cripps.
Very little chance Dusty is gonna win the brownlow.
Dusty is a very very good sweeper mid but absolute dynamite as fwd/mid.
We are a finals team with Dusty as a mid.
But if our mids are big enough and strong enough to compete with the best without Dusty and he becomes our finisher alongside Jack and friends then that is when you become a finals winning fwd line.

Same with Deledio and why I ripped everyone for years when he played as a mid at the contest. Both Lids and Dusty are above average mids but waaaaaaayyyyy above average fwds (or in Lids case, HB, wing, HF). So, you can replace them in the mids with a slight downgrade (e.g. K-Mac and Miles) but you still have the monster advantage in the fwd line that results in significantly higher scoring percentage on inside 50''s. Net value to the team is way higher.

There is rationale to your arguments but I think many subsequent posters have endorsed my view of Dusty's best value being in the midfield. This is, after all, the 'engine-room' as it's called, the coalface where the contests start and so you need your best players in there most of the time to generate ball and Ins50s. But I think everyone loves seeing him or Lids having a burst up forward as so threatening.

The Brownlow reference was tongue-in-cheek, a bit of fun hyperbole. However, Dusty has actually polled well a few times, even the umps can't help to recognise his game-changing impact. Don't think Dusty would rate it so much, nor do I really. Besides, our captain has won one and AFL refuse to give him what's rightfully his for fear of upsetting drug cheats.

As for KMac, I never said he'd be as good as Cripps; only that he could be our version. That is, not quite as big or dynamic, certainly not yet. But when he and the team is ready for him to go in there, with time and learning plus experience, believe he can become damaging because he is tough, fearless and loves the contest and has serious running power. His skills will improve then and don't underestimate his potential. He has some X factor IMHO. We might not see this happen for a year or two though yet.

Where I also don't agree with you, is saying our other mids are big enough. Cotchin, Miles, Edwards, Conca, Rioli etc. are really the size of the rovers from old-time football compared to what other sides are running through the midfield these days. Just compare Mundy, Fyffe and Barlow for instance, or Danger, Caddy and Blicavs at the Cats. The trend is to upsize your mids.

 

[Tigerfan]

on McIntosh, he has the size but he is not a one-touch player. he fumbles. in space, or in a one-on-one he fumbles in front of himself to keep control, but in packs he wont have that luxury.

He's s youngster that will improve as he matures

 

[leon]

lol. for mine KM would be 3rd of 4th in line to trade come October (B. Ellis and TV being the first 2).

Really cannot believe you'd say that about him, although almost agree about the other two - my only hesitation is that I feel another coach would get the best out of them. He would demand that they cut out the lazy, weak, crappy acts they are currently performing on the football field, or have some fun weeks in the VFL e.g. cannot see either of the Scott brothers tolerating what we see from these two muppets ATM.

But back to KMac, thought he was one of our best performers under great pressure when thrown down back due to injury to our regulars when the team was losing badly. Not his natural position, still adapting to it and made errors (so have most of the rest), but showed guts, grunt and attacking flair. Wants the ball and is prepared to compete with anyone. Still a work in progress, but very young with a huge upside.

Trade him - that's just crazy ... IMHO.

 

[Scoop]

Not close to a Cripps. I'd try and get him back home to Freo for Weller or Blakley.

 

[leon]

Not close to a Cripps. I'd try and get him back home to Freo for Weller or Blakley.

You don't rate him either. It's amazing how fans see players so differently.
Weller looks good but another small mid - we have heaps already.
Like Blakely too but the knock on him is his kicking. Whether he exceeds KMac, not convinced by any means yet.

 

[nikolasmia]

Kmac is a beast that will only get better

Talk of trading him is lunacy

 

[Colonel]

Yep, like your thinking. K-Mac's size/shape always makes me think of Kennedy. Big strong angry midfielders with awesome endurance... we need more of them.

It annoys me no end that hasn't been given a crack in the middle especially with our obvious deficiencies. Could be the new age Shane Tuck

 

[leon]

It annoys me no end that hasn't been given a crack in the middle especially with our obvious deficiencies. Could be the new age Shane Tuck

I know how you feel, like many, but you have to remember that it might have happened but for the injury gods. The loss of Conca, then Yarran, then Houli, plus poor form of Hunt and Batch, forced the team selectors to put young, inexperienced players down back to fill holes on the HBFs - CEllis, Short and Menadue too. KMac has done really well there IMO, where he has had to try and mark an opponent more, know when to go and when to fold back, or attack etc. Doubt he has played a lot in defence prior.
It has reduced any forays forward for goals especially in early games with bad losses.
I think he had a baptism of fire in defence and came out a winner. Others here, hard to please.

Requires patience, at least Conca on the way back now, but KMac can only get tried in the centre when our Df is shored up.

 

[Cotchin_4_brownlow]

I know how you feel, like many, but you have to remember that it might have happened but for the injury gods. The loss of Conca, then Yarran, then Houli, plus poor form of Hunt and Batch, forced the team selectors to put young, inexperienced players down back to fill holes on the HBFs - CEllis, Short and Menadue too. KMac has done really well there IMO, where he has had to try and mark an opponent more, know when to go and when to fold back, or attack etc. Doubt he has played a lot in defence prior.
It has reduced any forays forward for goals especially in early games with bad losses.
I think he had a baptism of fire in defence and came out a winner. Others here, hard to please.

Requires patience, at least Conca on the way back now, but KMac can only get tried in the centre when our Df is shored up.

Well said

 

[tigerlove]

Kmac is a beast that will only get better

Talk of trading him is lunacy

I don't think it's lunacy. I think due to his limited disposal skills that Kmac's growth is limited. The real question for me, whether you trade him, is do we have a ready replacement. At this stage I'd say no, he's the best we have for that wing position currently. I don't think he's a natural midfielder either. Has averaged less than 6 contested possessions a game this year and less than 5 over his career. I don't think he's quick enough in decision making close in but would be happy to be proved wrong on this cause he's certainly very strong-bodied.

 

[Barnzy]

Kmac's disposal is fine. Off a wing last year he was one of our best spotting up players inside 50 by foot. His size on a wing was awesome too. He's not a rebounding defender.

 

[Inspector]

Kmac is our only tall midfielder think when he returns or next season he should be tried at centre bounces

 

[zippadeee]

Kmac's disposal is fine. Off a wing last year he was one of our best spotting up players inside 50 by foot. His size on a wing was awesome too. He's not a rebounding defender.

Disposal fine? He would be one of the most awkward kicks in the comp. up and unders
I've lost count how many times he has kicked a the ball on the full.

 

[tigerlove]

Kmac's disposal is fine. Off a wing last year he was one of our best spotting up players inside 50 by foot. His size on a wing was awesome too. He's not a rebounding defender.

Disagree. He rarely kicks to advantage of his player and often he disposes poorly under little pressure. I think he has improved in this area though and hopefully he can continue to improve.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Like too see him spend the pre season becoming a big bull inside player, in the mould of Kennedy. Has the size, has the aggression, not sure he is super clean in tight? , also has the great exceleration to burst out of clearences. With players like Ellis's , Markov, Menadue, Drummond, Yarran and Houli all have run and play mainly outside, McIntosh could be of more use inside/ outside.

 

[nafe brown]

Like too see him spend the pre season becoming a big bull inside player, in the mould of Kennedy. Has the size, has the aggression, not sure he is super clean in tight? , also has the great exceleration to burst out if clerences. With players like Ellis's , Markov, Menadue, Drummond, Yarran and Houli all have run and play mainly outside, McIntosh could be of more use inside/ outside.

My thoughts exactly cc tiger

 

[tigersnake]

My thoughts exactly cc tiger

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