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Kane Johnson steps down!!!

I forget which game it was, but Richo took a mark 45m out on a rather tight angle and we badly needed this goal for momentum to comeback and steal the win.

The commentators said something like: this is the clutch goal of the match... and he kicks it!!

We went on to win.

That was the last time Richo was in that situation and he was successful. I can't recall him having too many chances to win games like that over the years though, but when you consider most of the time we were 40 points down with 5 minutes to go you could easily argue he had a greater chance of being blamed for losing than he ever did for kicking a winning goal when you're 40 points down.
 
As mentioned previously Richo has kicked the most miraculous goals many times and he has missed the most basic many times. I find it hard to understand how anyone would think Richo couldn't be inspirational enough on the ground to deserve captaincy. If as Pharace said, Richo had matured earlier then he would have been lay down misere for captain of the Tigers. As it is now at 33 years old the general consensus is that he is too old to be captain (has anyone evr taken on captaincy for the first time at that age?) and this is the reason he will not get the captaincy.
 
I am far from convinced that any of our younger players are ready to be captain, period. I don't care if you mention Lids, Axel, Newmo or whoever, I firmly believe that we need to go with Simmo or Richo in the interim. Let the younger guys develop a little more, and I think it will become obvious who our next captain should be.
 
benny_furs said:
......, but when you consider most of the time we were 40 points down with 5 minutes to go you could easily argue he had a greater chance of being blamed for losing than he ever did for kicking a winning goal when you're 40 points down.
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I wouldn't find that very easy at all to find an argument for benny. It's a team game.
 
rosy23 said:
I wouldn't find that very easy at all to find an argument for benny. It's a team game.
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I think Benny's comment was perhaps badly phrased and didn't infer he meant anything that bad about Richo. I don;t think he was blaming Richo alone for being "40 points" down so often. Just that his opportunity to win games in recent years have been so limited - that was my take anyway :)
 
Yeah sorry, I meant it's hard to kick the winning goal when you're 40 points down every week, so Richo was rarely even in the position to kick winning goals over his career.

In this thread he's getting blamed for missing the crucial goals but I say he's unfairly being blamed for the misfortune of playing in poor teams over the years.

I think if Richo misses a meaningless goal in the last quarter when we're no chance of winning, some supporters get angry and blame him for our loss. Compare this to say Nick Riewoldt who missess the same goal while his team is 30 points in front and people call him a champion.

To further support my opinion I ask you this.

What was the media/fan reaction to Nick Riewoldt when the Saints were losing in the first half of the year?

And:

What was their perception of him as a player when they were winning and all his goals happened to have been meaningful because the team won?

If any other player kicks 800 goals in losing teams then I can assure you perception will peg them as someone who missed crucial goals. But these people need to realise that sometimes the team is going to lose and no matter how much of a mighty hero you think someone is, they can only do so much.

And it works in reverse too.

If a forward kicks 800 goals in winning teams then perception pegs them as the hero who made it all possible, the champion who dragged them across the line.

Same output, but the team decides how the individual is seen.



So what I mean is: The final score is what puts the goalkicker's efforts into perspective, and this is unfair because they only make up less than 5% of the team who contributes to this final score.
 
benny_furs said:
I think if Richo misses a meaningless goal in the last quarter when we're no chance of winning, some supporters get angry and blame him for our loss.
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Nowhere have I referred to meaningless goals.
There have been numerous times he has missed important (easy) goals over the years to at least keep us in the game at crucial periods.
If you argue against that then you are extremely forgiving and have a very short memory.

benny_furs said:
What was the media/fan reaction to Nick Riewoldt when the Saints were losing in the first half of the year?
What was their perception of him as a player when they were winning and all his goals happened to have been meaningful because the team won?
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Riewoldt has plenty of critics whether the Saints are winning or losing, many of his flaws are what hold people back from calling him elite.
He's a shocking set kick at goal. Worse than Richo IMO.

benny_furs said:
Same output, but the team decides how the individual is seen.
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How do you figure that one benny?
There's no doubt in my mind that Richo has had two of his best seasons ever in '08/'09 which has seen us only finish 16th & 9th, barely any different to results through his entire career yet he's now being universally applauded. The difference major to me is the last couple of year is that he has stood up when it's counted.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Nowhere have I referred to meaningless goals.
There have been numerous times he has missed important (easy) goals over the years to at least keep us in the game at crucial periods.
If you argue against that then you are extremely forgiving and have a very short memory.
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Some people think he has missed a lot of crucial goals.

But when your team is down by 3 goals towards the end of every game then EVERY shot on goal is a crucial goal.

So how many times is he going to kick 3 goals in the last quarter after having a good game already? For every time he doesn't kick 3 matchwinning goals in a row, then he "missed the crucial goals" and cost us the game.

I have seen many games where we have been a few goals down and Richo kicks 1 or 2 great goals but then the team loses momentum and eventually he'll get another crack at goal and miss. People walk away saying "If only Richo had kicked that last goal..."

(edit: spelling)
 
benny_furs said:
I forget which game it was, but Richo took a mark 45m out on a rather tight angle and we badly needed this goal for momentum to comeback and steal the win.

The commentators said something like: this is the clutch goal of the match... and he kicks it!!

We went on to win.
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vs Lions Round 17. I was at the game but recorded it at home and your post prompted me to watch it again.

Bradshaw goals just as the Channel 10 5 minute warning pops up to put them 4 points in front 24.24 minutes into the quarter. At this stage when I watch channel 10 recordings i add 1/3 to estimate the length of the quarter so I expect this to go to 32.32.

Another goal to Sherman at 26.32, Lions an 8 point lead. Smart play by Riewoldt to Richo's lead, he gets the free kick for arm around the waist interference (how often does that happen ::) ) 40 m out on a slight angle. He puts us within 2 points at 28.02 with his 3rd goal of the quarter. This I think is the goal you're talking about although I didn't hear that quote from the commentators.

J Brown marks 52m out at 29.29 gets touched through for a point, 3 points down.

Brisbane starts playing defensive keepings off in their forward circle. Edwards gets it gives it up to Power who has a shot doesn't make the distance. 30.57 gone. Moore marks passes to Jordy kicks to Johnson at chb. Johnson to White, handpass to Tambling on wing, beautiful pass to Bowden 30 m out. Bowden seals it with his 4th for the night at 31.56. Siren 33.17.

:gotigers
 
that game was just about my all time favorite..

i think i have to go watch it!!
 
ronnit said:
that game was just about my all time favorite..

i think i have to go watch it!!
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Ha - had to go and watch the last quarter myself. Awesome. The team spirit really stood out at the end. Tambling had a ripper last quarter.
 
ronnit said:
that game was just about my all time favorite..

i think i have to go watch it!!
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Ohh I'll remember that game forever!

I had just finished a gig on the Saturday night and I taped the game at home.

At the end of the gig I was thinking about going out with everyone but knew I would find out who won so I chose to skip drinks and go home (and at gigs you get free drinks).

I got home around 1 or 2am and put the game on... by the last quarter around 3-4am I was so wide awake and exploding with energy I couldn't believe how the game unfolded! With Richo dominating, Bowden of all people fittingly kicking the winning goal (beautiful poetic justice) and the emotional rollercoster of thinking we'll win, then lose, then win, then we've lost it and it's too late... then we win!!!

Ok I'm gunna watch it right now, bye!
 
YinnarTiger said:
vs Lions Round 17. I was at the game but recorded it at home and your post prompted me to watch it again.
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That was a fantastic game. Certainly one of my all time favourites Yinnar.

The last quarter is on Youtube in 5 parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4esSzeXo8No&feature=related
 
Tigers of Old said:
That was a fantastic game. Certainly one of my all time favourites Yinnar.

The last quarter is on Youtube in 5 parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4esSzeXo8No&feature=related
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I still got excited. ;D (and sang the song)
 
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