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kicking for goal

Hairydolfin said:
It's not like they're hard shots either. The look on the player's faces tells you that they are going to miss before they kick.
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We did get quite a lot of shots along the boundary today. Jack in particular had a lot of shots from wide. I don't think our ball movement was overly good.
 
Said it on another thread but some of our guys just get too close to man on mark. Not enough run up. Cotch and Jack only two steps before kicking. Not enough routine, different every time they kick. Where is the kicking coach. We definitely need to use the KISS method.
 
Scoreboard flattered our inaccuracy. At once stage we had kicked 6 . 12 and I think from there got it to 13 13 before we kicked a few more points. As a few said before, 2 kicks on the man on the mark was just plain amateur hour. Jack and Castagna momentum killers. Just need to keep practicing, routine, repetition muscle memory and eradicate this out of our game.
 
Mention to a friend & supporters around at times that you just know they will miss.

Too close to the man on the mark . You will kick it in to him and in an attempt to get it over him just sky it high and not even make the distance.

Routine. It's all about routine. Some players it's all over the shop.

That should have been a comfortable 10 goal win .

Players over hand ball when in close instead of taking the initiative and go for it. They put their team mate into more pressure at times by going that extra procession .

Dusty at times in the first half instead of going long bomb as he did in the last in the first half was opting for short 15-20 metre kicks. He should be banned from doing that .

The thing that impacted that in the first half was the amount of running up and down the ground the players were doing , leaving no one at times past the square and I'm sure fatigue sets in when finally having a shot.

30 sec isn't enough.
 
Goal kicking is the easiest skill in football as you have plenty of time and no physical pressure. I'm amazed at how many easy shots are missed.
 
Tiger Pops said:
Scoreboard flattered our inaccuracy. At once stage we had kicked 6 . 12 and I think from there got it to 13 13 before we kicked a few more points. As a few said before, 2 kicks on the man on the mark was just plain amateur hour. Jack and Castagna momentum killers. Just need to keep practicing, routine, repetition muscle memory and eradicate this out of our game.

it is very amateurish in the amount of time the guys run up so close to the man on the mark.

Surely...surely this is something that is worked on and so easy to correct?
 
Harry I think it's got to do with fatigue and not sticking to your routine no matter what.

Do you how much running players do these days.

The press? Blight on our game. Yearn for the day I see a Dusty plonked like Danger was at FF and scare the living day lights out of a Backman every time the ball goes in their area.

Tried at times but the press doesn't allow it more often . Hate it. At the game it's more obvious then watching it on TV when you see players gather the ball streaming downfield looking up and there is no one home.

Frustrating watching AFL now.

But a lot clubs are having issues with goal kicking.

Maybe LTR can tell us where we sit with goal kicking accuracy? Have to be near the bottom?
 
waiting said:
Harry I think it's got to do with fatigue and not sticking to your routine no matter what.

Do you how much running players do these days.

The press? Blight on our game. Yearn for the day I see a Dusty plonked like Danger was at FF and scare the living day lights out of a Backman every time the ball goes in their area.

Tried at times but the press doesn't allow it more often . Hate it. At the game it's more obvious then watching it on TV when you see players gather the ball streaming downfield looking up and there is no one home.

Frustrating watching AFL now.

But a lot clubs are having issues with goal kicking.

Maybe LTR can tell us where we sit with goal kicking accuracy? Have to be near the bottom?

This was as of a few weeks ago:

tigertim said:
Accuracy rates by each team:
GWS 60%
Geelong: 59.4%
Essendon: 58.2%
Gold Coast: 56.3%
Adelaide:56.3%
Hawthorn: 55.8%
Melbourne:54.9%
Brisbane:54.1%
North Melbourne:51.9%
Port:51.6%
Carlton:51%
Sydney:50.6%
West Coast:49.7%
Fremantle:48.1%
Richmond:47.8%
Collingwood:47%
St Kilda::46.7%
Western Bulldogs:45.9%
 
BrisTiger24 said:
Do we have a goalkicking coach?

If not, why not? If yes, needs the sack

And add, kicking in general coach. We need to improve to capitalise on the chances in games

Doug Hawkins was good. Off memory Frawley had brought him in for a bit one year when RFC made the finals. Specialist part time coach
 
Thanks Tigertim

Bundy a field kicking coach wouldn't bad either. Gee some of the field kicking has been , well leave it that!

But by a lot of clubs though.
 
waiting said:
Thanks Tigertim

You can see from that graph how inaccurate kicking can kill you. Geelong at 59.4% and us at 47.8%.

They win the close ones, we lose them.
 
tigermouseau said:
Cotch and Jack only two steps before kicking.

This must be an intentional routine. I think it has possibly helped Cotch's kicking for goal. Has kicked 12 goals 4 behinds this year.
 
Exactly Tigertim.

Those close 4 losses . Say we won 2 that puts up 2nd and in a better position in the 8.

Well you make your own luck but it's the opposition too who hand you it back in your favour.

We also won a few by other sides poor kicking.

Across the board though is goal kicking % in decline. Has it been so poor?
 
I'm sick of this "fatigue" BS!!! Its like saying players of yore were never tired or fatigued.

Complete BS argument and 100% cop out!

Another pet peeve is steadying up before taking the shot at goal. The amount of times I've seen players this year go for the quick fire kick at the sticks only to miss them is atrocious!!!
 
blx said:
I'm sick of this "fatigue" BS!!! Its like saying players of yore were never tired or fatigued.
Complete BS argument and 100% cop out!

It's not crap it's true. Players work a lot harder defensively today than they used to. If you've played footy you'd know how energy sapping the defensive work is in footy. You can often physically see how puffed out players are when shooting for goal. Previously you could also prepare almost as long as you wanted. Count how much time. for example, Lloyd used to take up in his routine kicking for goal.
 
Exactly Tigerlove.

Back in day players played in a position , full stop.

Now you see Jack taking procession at HB ...

Lloyd use to take 1 hour to kick for goal.

Now you got 30 secs. By the time the player has caught their breath back & try to get their heart rate down they have 10 secs to kick.
 
It's more about technique and practice. Kicking for goal is a totally different skill set to passing to a teammate. When you kick for goal you have to kick up and through the ball, whereas kicking to a teammate you need to keep it low and stab at the ball. Reckon players would practice 99% of the time passing to a teammate and hence when they are kicking for goal they are stabbing at the ball.

In the olden days when football was about kicking the ball long, players had a similar technique whether kicking for goal or in general play. Full forwards back then used to kick it post high. Watch jack today and he rarely kicks it mid post height and is stabbing at the ball .
 
have you noticed that Vloss has a Kennedy style (not as bad) stutter as he has a shot on goal now. Noticed that in the VFL a few weeks back and also the set shot he missed yesterday.
 
tigertim said:
Accuracy rates by each team:
GWS 60%
Geelong: 59.4%

Essendon: 58.2%
Gold Coast: 56.3%
Adelaide:56.3%
Hawthorn: 55.8%
Melbourne:54.9%
Brisbane:54.1%
North Melbourne:51.9%
Port:51.6%
Carlton:51%
Sydney:50.6%
West Coast:49.7%
Fremantle:48.1%
Richmond:47.8%
Collingwood:47%
St Kilda::46.7%
Western Bulldogs:45.9%

Geelong and GWS have also won many close games this year. makes a massive difference.

tigermouseau said:
Said it on another thread but some of our guys just get too close to man on mark. Not enough run up. Cotch and Jack only two steps before kicking. Not enough routine, different every time they kick. Where is the kicking coach. We definitely need to use the KISS method.

spot on. before the Castagna and Jack misses I said to my mate both times they will miss. and they did. we miss so many set shots from 15-20m out on the 45-60 degree angle. its unacceptable. the worst is Edwards. he has the yips big time. he marked it 40m out yesterday and passed it because his confidence is so shot (and tuned it over).
 
Get rid of Edwards grigg and castagna
And we will be on the top of that list

Castagna misses 2 basic shots every week
Grigg and Edwards would go down as the most unreliable set shots at the club.
Special mention to jack too (also has been off)