mb64 said:
Apologies mb, it was a sarcastic comment - obviously he was a distraction to Frawley because the players respected him, he had a football brain, and could actually play the game.
This was totally unacceptable during the Frawley era.
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Knights was sacked by Richmond because of is negative impact on the side.
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Apologies mb, it was a sarcastic comment - obviously he was a distraction to Frawley because the players respected him, he had a football brain, and could actually play the game.
This was totally unacceptable during the Frawley era.
Yeh, I remember it.
Personally, I don't blame either Knights or Frawley for what happened.
Mind you, I don't have any idea of what was going on behind the scenes.
As a spectator, it was clear that although Knighter's mind was still saying yes, his legs were saying no. His skills & footy nous were still good, but he was slow and constantly getting caught.
Frawley was in the unenviable situation of being the coach at that time. His choice was to let Knights go on, seemingly to the detriment of team, or to make the hard call. Maybe the "big picture", ie status quo, should have prevailed until season's end.
Unfortunately, in situations like this, if not properly handled, can lead to a breakdown of trust.
Trust is the most important element between a leader and his/her followers. While trust exists, the follower will show extra effort for that leader. Once trust breaksdown, efforts merely become token or selfish.
In the Knights/Frawley stand-off, as I mentally predicted at the time, trust between Frawley, Knights & the team was broken. The relationship never recovered.
For Knighter, I still scratch my head wondering why the then Tiger Board never oriented him towards an off-field role so as not to escalate the situation. Knighter, in the normal course, should have been expected to continue as a Tiger off-field leader.
There were some similarities between the Knighter/Frawley saga, and that of Gaspar/Wallace last year. It's a brave move, if less wise, for a coach to take such a mid-season stand. Although Gaspar was not quite the icon that Knighter was.
It does however bear some context in relation to any other Tiger icons presently playing and how their transitions to "off the field" will occur while still maintaining trust between coach & team.
Personally, I don't blame either Knights or Frawley for what happened.
Mind you, I don't have any idea of what was going on behind the scenes.
As a spectator, it was clear that although Knighter's mind was still saying yes, his legs were saying no. His skills & footy nous were still good, but he was slow and constantly getting caught.
Frawley was in the unenviable situation of being the coach at that time. His choice was to let Knights go on, seemingly to the detriment of team, or to make the hard call. Maybe the "big picture", ie status quo, should have prevailed until season's end.
Unfortunately, in situations like this, if not properly handled, can lead to a breakdown of trust.
Trust is the most important element between a leader and his/her followers. While trust exists, the follower will show extra effort for that leader. Once trust breaksdown, efforts merely become token or selfish.
In the Knights/Frawley stand-off, as I mentally predicted at the time, trust between Frawley, Knights & the team was broken. The relationship never recovered.
For Knighter, I still scratch my head wondering why the then Tiger Board never oriented him towards an off-field role so as not to escalate the situation. Knighter, in the normal course, should have been expected to continue as a Tiger off-field leader.
There were some similarities between the Knighter/Frawley saga, and that of Gaspar/Wallace last year. It's a brave move, if less wise, for a coach to take such a mid-season stand. Although Gaspar was not quite the icon that Knighter was.
It does however bear some context in relation to any other Tiger icons presently playing and how their transitions to "off the field" will occur while still maintaining trust between coach & team.
When was the last time we had a top quality player whose exit as a player was handled really well? There have been so many cases where due and mutual respect has not been paid and/or a player has gone on to much bigger and better things at other AFL clubs.
Who is the most recent Richmond player to stay on at, or return to, the club in a coaching or support role? Is it Dale Weightman............... surely there has been someone whose career with us ended more recently than him?
The next big test will be with Richo. RFC has to get this one right.
This appears to be one key area of the Tiger's modern culture which needs urgent attention.
Who is the most recent Richmond player to stay on at, or return to, the club in a coaching or support role? Is it Dale Weightman............... surely there has been someone whose career with us ended more recently than him?
The next big test will be with Richo. RFC has to get this one right.
This appears to be one key area of the Tiger's modern culture which needs urgent attention.
Hayfever said:
One could argue we have had little practice with top-end players over the last 25 years ... Perhaps Knights was offered some role at the club. Does anyone know for sure he wasn't? In any event, many retirees prefer to cut their teeth in a new environment. Finally, his coaching record at Port Adelaide Magpies & Bendigo Bombers was hardly inspiring. Many of us were surprised when he got the Bummmers job. 2 wins in a pre-season comp later and some would have you beleive we have overlooked a coaching genius.
BTW - How do you attribute the improvement in Essendon .. I think it would reflect as much on Sheedy as it does on Knights. I thought Sheeds was terrible in the last few years.
All this talk of Knighter returning to tigerland after his stint at the bombers...is it just a pipe dream?
Seriously, would he want to? With the end of his career being handled so poorly by the club, have we ostracised yet another richmond champion?
I hope he's bigger than that, but i wouldn't be surprised if there's still a sour taste in his mouth.
Seriously, would he want to? With the end of his career being handled so poorly by the club, have we ostracised yet another richmond champion?
I hope he's bigger than that, but i wouldn't be surprised if there's still a sour taste in his mouth.
excuse me, but matthew knights is the coach of the ESSENDON Football Club.MillyMollyMandy said:
meaning he is now the enemy and will be plotting to smash the RICHMOND Football Club every time his bombers play us.
as for him being a great coach as some are trying to say,he hasn`t even coached a game yet,let alone shown to be a coach we should get.
plus his record with port and bendigo is pretty crap.
i`m not sure he was sacked because of his negative impact,he was by all reports a professional.
i can`t see how he could have had a negative impact on the team.
maybe frawley finished him up because he was too slow and not up to it any more.
our coaches always get bagged for not making tough decisions yet when one of them does he gets criticised for it.
knights was finished as a senior AFL footballer and frawley made the right decision.
and from memory didn`t he get a send off game against carlton on a friday night?
i remember he set up a goal and i heard one of the loudest noises i`ve ever heard at a game when the grog squad sang "one matty knights".
Digglers Ghost said:
Not necessarily Diggles. ;D
Obviously I don't think this is likely, but I'm in the untenable position of wishing him well on two fronts. I will always want Knighter to do well, and of course I want him to return to the club having been successful at whatever he turns his hand to...but that means seeing the Bombers do well, and I don't want that! :-\
You see my dilemma.
mopsy fraser said:
Here, here mopsy. I hope Knights get back to back wooden spoons coaching that scum.
Am new to your little forum but have to express my opinion on knighta. How can we pour acid on a man who was during the 90's the face of richmond, ableit he had a dark front tooth but dental worries aside can you forget 1995 semi final against Essendon. Jesus he was a legend, how many times was he top 5 in brownlow voting?? :clap
Six Pack said:
Its not about his career, but his final year.
Club heroes tend to leave well like Hird, or leave ugly. But at the end of the day if the use by date is up, the club needs to make the harsh call because "what I could do" counts for nothing today.
'zgod said:
Twice 1995 equal 4th with 16 votes, P Kelly won with 21, 1991 equal 5th with 17, behind Stynes with 25, other years were
1993, equal 9th with 13, behind Wanganeen with 18, 1998 equal 8th with 18 behind Robert Harvey with 32.
Won his Tigers B&F's in 1990 and 1992
