Lazy Tigers

[GoodOne]

According to those lists Richardson and Browny are out.

What do you mean?

I mean they are both at the bottom end of those two lists for 1%ers and tackles

 

[Ian4]

Pretty accurate but these things will improve as the young players' bodies mature. Our list is simply too young to mix it physically with the harder (and better) sides at this stage, which is why we often play possession-oriented footy (or the free-flowing stuff we've seen lately). These styles don't win finals which isn't a problem for us yet. Trust TW to address this as we improve.

agree. our kids do get pushed off too easilly. you need to be physical and have mature bodys to be able to do more 1%ers

Doesn't that just show the risks in interpreting the stat? Does Tivver really do the tackles that cause turnovers or does he chase hard and lay a hand on a guy as he kicks?

definately the former

Deledio is one of the laziest tigers of them all.

disagree. he's been playing in the hole a lot lately and it's scaring the sh!t out of me. i don't want him playing there!!!

 

[tigerjoe]

Great post ToO.

Terry needs to get a rocket up them that's for sure.

 

[chislop]

Oh goody, another Whinge Fest! Sharpen those sticks lads, its going to be a long summer so plenty of time to build up the vitriol for next season.

 

[Tubytiger]

Oh goody, another Whinge Fest!  Sharpen those sticks lads, its going to be a long summer so plenty of time to build up the vitriol for next season.

I dont think its a whinge fest GT - just a pretty astute observation of where we definitely need to improve in a major fact of the game mate, thats all.

 

[TigerGoneNorth]

I don't think it's a whinge fest at all, I think the threads a good one raising some legit questions.

He's been playing in the hole a lot lately and it's scaring the sh!t out of me. i don't want him playing there!!!

Yeah that's what I've been getting at. I wonder if the stats aren't telling us more about how he's been used than whether he's lazy or not.

 

[Silent Bob]

The worst player on our list for 1%'ers is Patrick Bowden. This guy just won't chase, won't lay a tackle, won't bump, won't shepherd

Too soft.

 

[Lidsand]

no surprise to see our favourite marshmellow 'cameo' kayne pettrified lagging down the bottom of those lists

 

[Rayzorwire]

I mean they are both at the bottom end of those two lists for 1%ers and tackles

Geez, when I saw your name GO I thought to myself...'he's finally gonna give big Rayzor a rap here'...but you've disappointed me again huh?...talking about who's at the BOTTOM of the lists! ;D

Ray Hall - working class hero. Leading the side in 1%rs, leading the defence for contested possessions, leading tall player in the side for tackles...all despite an injury plagued year.

I think due reward for effort should be for P Bowden, Brownie, Pettifer and Deledio to be put into harness and forced to haul Hall around in the Christmas parade...being gently flogged the entire way.




Awwww...give me a break here folks...I've had to put milestone celebrations off for another 6 months...cancel the Goodyear blimp...the fireworks...the sky writers...the moving tribute from Hafey... :'(

 

[jb03]

Great post/thread ToO. Your posting is working inversely proportionately to your Tropical Tipping.

Long way to go in the tackling and shepherding areas. And the mention of Lids is apt. Must work harder defensively and at second efforts. The Coaching Panel would surely be across these concerns.

And forget Pat Bowden doing too many 1%'s, it is not his go.

 

[Al Bundy]

You know its a problem area (tackles) when Tivendale is leading the count for the club.

Good on him, however not the player you would expect.

Thats surprised me too a little. I take my hat off to him as thats what we want from players - have a red hot go & be effective. He has this year.

 

[zips]

And forget Pat Bowden doing too many 1%'s, it is not his go.

I don't expect to see too many JimBob. I just want to see 1!

 

[Tigers of Old]

(And does Prosports give a detailed explanation of how it defines 1%ers?)

Pro-Stats haven't responded as to how they reach their conclusion but below is according to Wiki the best analysis of what consitutes a recognised one percenter in the AFL.

Definition
There are four actions which constitute a one percenter according to official AFL statistics:
knock-ons, spoils, smothers, and shepherds.


Knock-Ons
A knock-on is using the hand, either clenched or open, to tap the ball to the advantage of a team-mate, without ever taking possession of the football (except out of the ruck). It has the same advantage as a quick handpass or kick, but is not recognised as a disposal because the player never has possession.

Spoil
A spoil is preventing an opposition player from taking clean possession of a pass from a team-mate. This is most usually done by punching the ball away from the contest.


Smother
A smother is the act of using the arms or body to get in the way of an opponent's kick, as it leaves the player's boot.


Shepherd
A shepherd is the legal act of preventing an opponent from tackling a team-mate who is carrying the ball by standing in the way, generally with the arms outstretched.


Other one percenters (not officially recorded)

There are other defensive efforts and supporting actions which are not statistically recognised as one percenters. However, when coaches refer to one percenters, these actions are often also considered.


Chase
A chase is the act of making a long pursuit behind an opponent who is running with and bouncing the ball, even if he never catches up and tackles his opponent. A chase puts pressure on the opponent to kick while running quickly and/or while unstable, decreasing the likely accuracy of the kick. Hence, coaches will consider a chase to be a one percenter.


Hurry
Hurrying (or corralling) an opponent is the act of putting them off-balance without laying a tackle, while he is taking his kick or handpass. Like the chase, this increases the likelihood of a turnover, and is often considered to be a one percenter.

Bump
A bump or hip and shoulder is the act of using the side of the body and running into an opponent with some force - under some circumstances, the bump is a type of strong shepherd, but players can also legally bump their opponents out of the way as they run to collect a loose-ball get.

Block
A block or screen is a more subtle way to shepherd in a marking contest, and while it is often technically illegal, it will almost never be penalised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_percenter_(Australian_football)

Hope that explains it better.

 

[bowden4president]

I've been worried about delideo's sencond effots for a while, i love the kid, but hopefully it improves with maturity, because he has a bad habit of droping his head when things go wrong. (oops got sidetracked)

I'd like to know when they actually count a tackle too? If you just lay a hand on someone, i don't believe its a tackle, thats an attempted tackle but if thats counted, anyone could have a high tackle count (even tivendale :hihi)

 

[craig]

What exactly is a 1%er?

In medical circles in regard to burns and percentage of body area burned, 1% relates to the nether regions on both sexes

 

[TigerGoneNorth]

Thanks ToO (is there anything Wiki doesn't have??).

I'd still like to know whether that's what Pro Sports include if they ever reply.

Some of these are open to interpretation aren't they. If Lids goes for a long run and Tivvers runs alongside him is it a shepherd? If he has his arms out but no-one comes near him is that a shepherd? Have I become too obsessed with this issue and do I need to get a life? :-[

 

[blx]

Geez, when I saw your name GO I thought to myself...'he's finally gonna give big Rayzor a rap here'...but you've disappointed me again huh?...talking about who's at the BOTTOM of the lists!  ;D

Ray Hall - working class hero. Leading the side in 1%rs, leading the defence for contested possessions, leading tall player in the side for tackles...all despite an injury plagued year. 

I think due reward for effort should be for P Bowden, Brownie, Pettifer and Deledio to be put into harness and forced to haul Hall around in the Christmas parade...being gently flogged the entire way. 

hi Mrs Hall, hope your petunias are coming along. Say hi to Gladys and Thelma for me  :-*

 

[Tigers of Old]

Players that have to work harder in these areas off season are:
Deledio
Raines
J & P Bowden
Petiffer
Hyde
Richardson
Brown
Simmonds
Pattison
Howat

But it needs to lift across the board as we are well down on other sides.