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List Age, games played and premiership window

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There is an interesting article in todays Age

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/young-is-the-new-black/2007/12/22/1198175414021.html

To parahrase, its about who has the youngest list and what that means. What the article goes on to say is that its more important about games played than which team is 24.5 years old across the board. Also how important list management and devleopment is (duh!). Anyhoo, it does not mention the Tiges being in the top 3, so i can only guess were are 4, 5, 6 somewhere round there.

What i would like to know is everyone's thoughts on age vs games played and which is more important. Youth or experience? Discuss.
 
Yep, good article.

I posted my thoughts on it a bit earlier in the Journ's section.

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=30328.new#new
 
No point in having a list full of kids if most of them will never be up to it, nor an experienced list which is on the decline. It would be interesting to have a look at the relationship between a) average list age, b) average age of players used during the season, and c) finishing position/games won. My hunch is that clubs which can keep their more experienced players on the field during a season will generally do better than those fielding younger sides, and that ideally your list average should be relatively low and your players used average would be relatively high, in comparison with the competition averages.

Of course if you're playing your experienced players regularly then your youngsters aren't gaining experience, and that's been the situation at Sydney recently - good results on the field, but is it sustainable when the older players move on/decline? Will post some stats if I get a chance to do some number-crunching and the results are interesting.

Regarding playing experience, I posted some stats last year based on results from 2000-06 which showed that a team with 20+ games' more experience per player than the opposition won 59% more matches, i.e. they won 159 games for every 100 by the less experienced team.
 
mb64 said:
When is our next premiership window?
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2010-2012 for most of us true believers Mont Blanc.

For those diehards in the Mushroom Club sadly there are no windows.
 
mb64 said:
When is our next premiership window?
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Depends. Most people just wait for them to build and arrive without making predictions - especially if you're a Richmond supporter with our history.

But if you're a Sillysider its been 2007 (that one didnt work out too well for them unfortunately), 2009 and anytime between 2010 and 2012.
 
I thought the most interesting stat there was how many of our players had played under 50 games..

Geelong Westcoast and Sydney all had lots of players in the 100 to 200 window. To me that is what wins you a flag.
 
Let's hope it starts to open in the not too distant future. It becomes hard to sell a club to kids when it is continually unsuccessful.

My daughter, who is 14, appreciates the history of the club and attends regularly. However I'm sure she'd like to experience the times that I had in the late 70's and early 80's when I was her age.
 
Tigers2011 said:
Let's hope it starts to open in the not too distant future. It becomes hard to sell a club to kids when it is continually unsuccessful.
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Ain't that the truth!!!
 
Hayfever said:
2010-2012 for most of us true believers Mont Blanc.

For those diehards in the Mushroom Club sadly there are no windows.
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didnt miller say 2007?

"And the premiership model that we've built as a club is reflective not just in age but in terms of experience, in terms of structure, height, weight and playing positions.

this is important
 
IrockZ said:
didnt miller say 2007?

"And the premiership model that we've built as a club is reflective not just in age but in terms of experience, in terms of structure, height, weight and playing positions.

this is important
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He also said that this year we'd be in a position to challenge...

obviously meant for the spoon. :blah

Premiership window? Who knows?
However I am certainly over individuals making crystal ball predictions and hollow promises.

In two or three years we will lose the likes of Richardson, Brown, J Bowden & Simmonds.
How's that going to help?

There's no time like the present.
 
IrockZ said:
didnt miller say 2007?

"And the premiership model that we've built as a club is reflective not just in age but in terms of experience, in terms of structure, height, weight and playing positions.

this is important
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damn right it is important. unfortunately the vast majority forget it or refuse to accept that we dont have it.
since miller has come to the club ive been going crook about exactly the above unfortunately im still going crook about experience height weight playing positions and depth and the quickest and best ways to get all of it. one thing for sure there are no quick fixes i think they are slowly coming to terms with this.
 
IrockZ said:
"And the premiership model that we've built as a club is reflective not just in age but in terms of experience, in terms of structure, height, weight and playing positions.

this is important
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What about players? Surely they are even more important than some theoretical model.

Hey..... but, hang on, according to Claw you can have the right players and still it's no good if the methodology you used to get them was wrong ??? http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=30325.msg702459#msg702459
 
mb64 said:
When is our next premiership window?
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I think Terry thinks it is already there, he is still getting the possum sh!t stains off it. Might be a few more years away when a certain age bracket is visible through it.
 
Hayfever said:
What about players? Surely they are even more important than some theoretical model.

Hey..... but, hang on, according to Claw you can have the right players and still it's no good if the methodology you used to get them was wrong ??? http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=30325.msg702459#msg702459
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poor poor sneezy still not getting the general gist of threads.and as usual taking things out of context i need say no more. but i will say one thing.
grow some bloody balls will ya and put up your views on what should or should not happen and stop following me from thread to thread like a lost puppy taking every thing out of context.i suffer fools and dickheads lighly and you fit both categories go and get your arse kicked by red again me i dont have the patience or inclination to put up with you.
 
the claw said:
poor poor sneezy still not getting the general gist of threads.and as usual taking things out of context i need say no more. but i will say one thing.
grow some bloody balls will ya and put up your views on what should or should not happen and stop following me from thread to thread like a lost puppy taking every thing out of context.i suffer fools and *smile*s lighly and you fit both categories go and get your arse kicked by red again me i dont have the patience or inclination to put up with you.
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:rofl :crazy :rofl

There you go again. Giving up without a yelp.......... just like with your infamous petition.

No guts, no glory.
 
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