list assesment

[yandb]

If and when Richmond appoints a caretaker coach they should also apoint a list analizer. This persons job would be to work in conjunction with the coaching staff to analize the players we have on our list and make recomendations regarding the future of the players on our list. The person should be someone who is not connected to the RFC at this current time and therefore would be totaly independent. Also the person should not be a possible cantidate for any future coaching positions.

Possibilities could be

D Pagan experienced coach
R Charlsworth probaly the greatest ever hockey coach and a high performance coach at freo about 4 years ago.
J Hird experienced player


Please feel free to add more names to the list.

 

[IanG]

Er thats the List mgr position which Craig Cameron was in and he's apparently still doing the duties of it as the Football Director. I've harped on it before but we need to appoint another dedicated List Mgr.

BTW Charlesworth is now the Coach of the Australian mens hockey team and thus has no time for such a position.

 

[17]

they appointed one last year.
for better or worse, his name is Craig Cameron.
a tad early to make a judgement on his efforts to date, but the lad has one helluva long term challenge.
he starts with the worst list in the league, but as the club only now is coming to grips with this fact, we commence the bottoming out process behind Melbourne and Freo.
and we do so knowing that 12 of the best 17 year olds will be ripped out of Draft 2009 by the Gold Coast, and the next 3-4 drafts beyond are also compromised, making our task of rebuilding an extremely difficult one.
and that's even after assuming a better track record o recruiting.
it is quite conceivable that the RFC will be cellar dwellers well into the next decade.

 

[Massai]

they appointed one last year.
for better or worse, his name is Craig Cameron.
a tad early to make a judgement on his efforts to date, but the lad has one helluva long term challenge.
he starts with the worst list in the league, but as the club only now is coming to grips with this fact, we commence the bottoming out process behind Melbourne and Freo.
and we do so knowing that 12 of the best 17 year olds will be ripped out of Draft 2009 by the Gold Coast, and the next 3-4 drafts beyond are also compromised, making our task of rebuilding an extremely difficult one.
and that's even after assuming a better track record o recruiting.
it is quite conceivable that the RFC will be cellar dwellers well into the next decade.

His efforts to date INCLUDE resigned Jay *smile* at the end of 2008 for another TWO PAINFUL YEARS at Richmond. I'd say he's off to a very bad start and it won't get any better for him either.

As to the other question of who could do an analysis of the current playing list, I'd get hold of John Buchanan the ex Cricket Australia coach. He didn't muck around, he know's his stuff and he certainly had the players going in the right direction, but then he didn't have a mob of no hopers like we've got at Richmond, Buchanan had players coming thru that had developed thru the Cricket Academy, Sheffield Shield, English County before they got to him in the Test Squad.

If anything the above clearly shows that Richmonds Player Development is worse than *smile* POOR and has been for bloody years.

 

[tigerdave]

Shane Warne hated John Buchanan.....Hang on a minute,let's get Warnie as list manager! :hihi

 

[RemoteTiger]

Shane Warne hated John Buchanan.....Hang on a minute,let's get Warnie as list manager! :hihi

We'd have to supply all our players with mobile phones and teach 'em how to SMS........

 

[Bunnerz]

at this stage my top 3 choices are,

d.pagan
l.matthews
m.knights (missed the boat)

 

[yandb]

I didn't realise that cameron's position was list manager.

Correct me if i'm wrong but if cameron was our list manager at the last draft why would he trade and draft for thompson and hislop when we had a dearth of skilled kickers? these two while hard nuts are only average by foot at best so i am underwhelemed by some of his choices.

 

[Baloo]

everytime I say it I get howled down but I still can't see why cameron is rated so highly by so many. melbourne is a shambles.

 

[the claw]

to keep it short clearly there are 24 players who need replacing over as short a time as possible. yep 21 keepers for now and that includes 4 rookies probably should not keep a couple of those either of those 21 it includes a lot in early stages of development with no guarantees of them making it. yep 5 yrs of wallace numerous first second and third rnd picks wasted or traded away and we still have all this work to do. im hopeful in 3yrs time we only have about 10 to cull and that all recruits we have taken meet a minimal skillset requirement no more trying to teach players the basics that should be done before they get to an afl club.

 

[Chocco]

everytime I say it I get howled down but I still can't see why cameron is rated so highly by so many. melbourne is a shambles.

I agree and he has disappointed, to bring in players like Cousins, Thompson and Hislop he must of been under Wallets influence somehow. Cousins turned out to be a great marketing ploy but to draft another 30 year old when we already have 5 is ridiculous!!

 

[IanG]

everytime I say it I get howled down but I still can't see why cameron is rated so highly by so many. melbourne is a shambles.

At Melbourne he was Recruiting Manager not List Manager, there's a difference. As Recruiting Manager he did get some good recruits. As a young team they are now starting to look like they have a future and the majority of the recruits came from him.

I agree and he has disappointed, to bring in players like Cousins, Thompson and Hislop he must of been under Wallets influence somehow. Cousins turned out to be a great marketing ploy but to draft another 30 year old when we already have 5 is ridiculous!!

The reports were that Cameron didn't want Cousins.

 

[the claw]

At Melbourne he was Recruiting Manager not List Manager, there's a difference. As Recruiting Manager he did get some good recruits. As a young team they are now starting to look like they have a future and the majority of the recruits came from him.

The reports were that Cameron didn't want Cousins.

the reports are also that jackson really liked hislop. i still think we could have used pick 74 to aquire him.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

At Melbourne he was Recruiting Manager not List Manager, there's a difference. As Recruiting Manager he did get some good recruits. As a young team they are now starting to look like they have a future and the majority of the recruits came from him.

The reports were that Cameron didn't want Cousins.

Good posting

 

[the claw]

At Melbourne he was Recruiting Manager not List Manager, there's a difference. As Recruiting Manager he did get some good recruits. As a young team they are now starting to look like they have a future and the majority of the recruits came from him.

The reports were that Cameron didn't want Cousins.

i was under the impression he had both roles at melb. i could be wrong. when we first went after him i went of the tree because of his recruiting record. but as far as list structure went i thought he did okay they may have all been duds but the structure was okay.

someone will correct me if im wrong but it was around 95 he became head of recruitment at melb.

95 pick 11 donald cockatoo collins : traded picks 27 41 for ingerson and grant. traded 65 foe clarkson 3 other nd picks all nobodys.

96 11 grgic 22 nicolson 30 lamaro 45 gairdner, 59 anthony macdonald, 68 robertson, 75 winterton. 82 o toole, 83 gehling , plus dumb trades.

97 oh bugger i cant be bothered all i can say is if you were a melb supporter you would be more depressed than most rfc supporters thats how bad it is. and yet we bought him to our club his trade history is diabolical and something that we want to see little of anyway.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Round and round it goes.

 

[peter1908]

New coach
Pagan/Mathews/Malthouse?
Annallizer (Someone recently Retired)
J.Hird
N.Buckley