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lol carlton

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SOS knocked back Butler also........SOS was the gift to non blues supporters that kept giving
 
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jb03

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Their drop in form coincided with Cripps drop in output and he may never return to his peak. And Betts was always a mistake.

The spruiked the recruiting of the fitness guy from Hawthorn but that is the most overrated position in that all those fitness guys know what they are doing.

Teague looking like a marginal upgrade on Shaw.
 

craig

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Aug 19, 2004
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I fail to see how they have improved this season.

Plusses - Sam Walsh, Harry Mackay, Weitering, Newnes and Marchbank.

Negatives Betts ....Murphy closer to the end , Simpson nearly done, Curnow ACL, Humphrey Kreuzer (ret), and a further hobbled Cripps.

some incremental improvement for them but also some losses at the other end.

Betts as great a champion and wonderful feel good story its been they shouldve chased Butler or Ellis and properly pursued Papley.
 
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caesar

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Plusses - Sam Walsh, Harry Mackay, Weitering, Newnes and Marchbank.

Negatives Betts ....Murphy closer to the end , Simpson nearly done, Curnow ACL, Humphrey Kreuzer (ret), and a further hobbled Cripps.

some incremental improvement for them but also some losses at the other end.

Betts as great a champion and wonderful feel good story its been they shouldve chased Butler or Ellis and properly pursued Papley.

DeKoning would be in the plus category to replace the Kruz, shows a fair bit of potential
 
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year of the tiger

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Their drop in form coincided with Cripps drop in output and he may never return to his peak. And Betts was always a mistake.

Nah - these compressed games would have knocked the socks of Cripps - he can’t carry a team without having time to recover between games - he will be back next year but agree he does need help.

Talking to a Carlton mate last night - it is very hard to pin point how one team makes the jump like Lions last year and the saints this year while others don‘t. Carlton are mostly doing the right thing with youth but they lack that really star talent - you need 3 or 4 min to build a team around. I still think they might get there with this squad but they are clearly still a couple of years off making finals I reckon. Reminded him with our squad it took 3 or 4 years to make finals and then another 3 of playing finals but not being able to win one. The advantage of 2016 for us was we invested time into our bottom 6 which means we now have depth as well and bat quite deep.
 

St Kevin

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Plusses - Sam Walsh, Harry Mackay, Weitering, Newnes and Marchbank.

Negatives Betts ....Murphy closer to the end , Simpson nearly done, Curnow ACL, Humphrey Kreuzer (ret), and a further hobbled Cripps.

some incremental improvement for them but also some losses at the other end.

Betts as great a champion and wonderful feel good story its been they shouldve chased Butler or Ellis and properly pursued Papley.

I think the negatives outweigh the positives.

Not sure McKay took another step this season from last. Marchbank barely played. Newnes is an average foot soldier. Walsh and McKay positives. TDK has been a big positive, as has Weitering.

Betts, Murphy, Simpson all a year closer to retirement, Kreuzer has retired Curnow not playing a game and Cripps looking demonstrably fatigued/injured are all big negatives.

Carlton's main 2 issues remain unaddressed imo:

1. Finding more young players to translate their promise into being good AFL players;
2. Finding more midfield depth to help Cripps.

They've done neither well enough for this year to be considered an improvement.
 
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Letsroar

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Kreuzer underachieved not through any fault of his just asked to do to much too young

In Cripps they have a player who can win finals but the way he has been handled he will be ruined before they make it.

They need a plug and play hard at it mid fielder so that Cripps can do more of the dynamic stuff like this weeks goal. But first he needs a role player to do the grunt work Some one like Greenwood at the suns

My bet would be that they will continue to put too much grunt work into Cripps and he becomes more and more a high possession low impact player. Then they will throw Walsh in the deep end and repeat the same process again