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The Big Richo

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I know players need to build a " tank " for the aspects of being able to regularly compete during the full course of a game. But I'm stuffed if I can understand why there is still such a strong focus on player 2 k and 3 k time trials. Even more than ever the game is about explosive burst sprints ( including to the interchange bench ) rather than the old school 70's / 80's game of onballers shuffling along from one end of the ground to the other with the occasional ten metre sprint thrown in for a bit of excitement.

It's like most aspects of training, different people believe they get different things from it.

The 2/3km stuff is a bit of a reflection on the game now because that's about the average distance players go at high speed in games but clearly a dubious way to recreate that as there's obviously a lot of other factors at play in a game.

My personal thoughts are it is really just the easiest way to tick over the bodies systems without putting too much load through them and observe how they handle the sustained effort. I don't really care what the watch says for the most part, I want to see who is prepared to hurt and how long they are prepared to hurt for.

I always say if I want to know an athlete's physical capacity I'll put them in a lab but if I want to know their mental capacity I'll put them in a time trial.
 
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It's like most aspects of training, different people believe they get different things from it.

The 2/3km stuff is a bit of a reflection on the game now because that's about the average distance players go at high speed in games but clearly a dubious way to recreate that as there's obviously a lot of other factors at play in a game.

My personal thoughts are it is really just the easiest way to tick over the bodies systems without putting too much load through them and observe how they handle the sustained effort. I don't really care what the watch says for the most part, I want to see who is prepared to hurt and how long they are prepared to hurt for.

I always say if I want to know an athlete's physical capacity I'll put them in a lab but if I want to know their mental capacity I'll put them in a time trial.

In cycling the time trial is called the race of truth. You're out there on your own, no drafting, no team, just you and a clock.

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It's like most aspects of training, different people believe they get different things from it.

The 2/3km stuff is a bit of a reflection on the game now because that's about the average distance players go at high speed in games but clearly a dubious way to recreate that as there's obviously a lot of other factors at play in a game.

My personal thoughts are it is really just the easiest way to tick over the bodies systems without putting too much load through them and observe how they handle the sustained effort. I don't really care what the watch says for the most part, I want to see who is prepared to hurt and how long they are prepared to hurt for.

I always say if I want to know an athlete's physical capacity I'll put them in a lab but if I want to know their mental capacity I'll put them in a time trial.
Or put them through SAS Aust..( laugh )
 
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Bernie

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I saw plovers draw blood from people regularly as a kid.

They generally give you a few warnings and then if you are still in the area they go bang, with a nasty spike on their wings.
Correct, they're definitely territorial and more so when nesting!! And they have no fear and cannot be intimidated.
 
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It's like most aspects of training, different people believe they get different things from it.

The 2/3km stuff is a bit of a reflection on the game now because that's about the average distance players go at high speed in games but clearly a dubious way to recreate that as there's obviously a lot of other factors at play in a game.

My personal thoughts are it is really just the easiest way to tick over the bodies systems without putting too much load through them and observe how they handle the sustained effort. I don't really care what the watch says for the most part, I want to see who is prepared to hurt and how long they are prepared to hurt for.

I always say if I want to know an athlete's physical capacity I'll put them in a lab but if I want to know their mental capacity I'll put them in a time trial.
Thanks TBR
It makes sense, but stupid question.
How do you/a recruiter assess when someone is not prepared to hurt compared to being unfit?
ie dont we just want a fast time?

Understand that its about showing determination and effort, but unless you,re standing there watching them all you can assess them on is the time
 

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Thanks TBR
It makes sense, but stupid question.
How do you/a recruiter assess when someone is not prepared to hurt compared to being unfit?
ie dont we just want a fast time?

Understand that its about showing determination and effort, but unless you,re standing there watching them all you can assess them on is the time
I know of one top potential draftee this year that buried himself in a time trial very early in the year and was so destroyed by his efforts that he spent the rest of the day in bed recovering while the other boys went on to other training and this is one seriously fit kid. His time was okay, nothing flash but his ability to keep pushing when he clearly had hit his limits were well noted by the coaches and recruiters.
 
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The Big Richo

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Understand that its about showing determination and effort, but unless you,re standing there watching them all you can assess them on is the time

For me, observation is the key in any time trial. The stop watch gives you one small piece of information but it's what you see that is important.

I'm no recruiter so my interest would be more in what sort of shape a player is in after a break, and seeing what a new player in the squad is like and what capacity they may have to better themselves.

Things like how do they hold their posture as the run goes on, are they losing the sort of shape you'd expect to see from someone with an empty tank? How do they respond to other players going past them? When they finish are they finished or having a chat and a laugh 10 minutes later? Are they tracking their time and have they thought about where they need to be to hit their goals at certain points?

One small thing I used to note was if guys would speed up at the finish line. It was always useful to challenge the idea that you should finish with a flourish instead of having nothing left to give and staggering to the line.

It's all small stuff and players are smart and good at showing you what they think you want to see, but I think you get an instinct for it in time.

Obviously really hard this year with the virtual stuff but a draftee's time trial might make up 1% of the decision a club makes to draft them or not anyway so it's not a huge deal in that regard, it's a much better tool to get to know how the athletes work on a day in day out basis.
 
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