Maurice Rioli V Cyril Rioli

[tigersnake]

Much more like it TS.

Interesting to see you have put Andrew Lovett's name in there. Rightly.
If he can maintain his focus, he's developing into a very good player..

Shaun Burgoyne would get a gig ahead of a couple there I'd think.

agree. Like I said, off the top of my head. S Borgoyne in, Goodes himself a walk up start, and bateman and williams would both be knocking on the door in the 'from' list.

Fair bit of snake in that side though with Maurice, J Krakouer, Dale Kickett. Winmar and Robbie Muir! We can only dream

 

[tigersnake]

Fair effort that snake.

Stephen Michael, Syd Jackson & Adam Goodes would also all walk into the starting 18.

Michael would slot straight into Buddy's spot at CHF.

Chris Lewis & Michael McLean also a chance.

Yep. Goodsey's side is looking worse by the post. (Lewis is in there)

 

[theScabman]

I'm just a tad too young(30 +) to remember Maurice so I have nothing to gauge Cyril on, but he's already a star. You can't take that away no matter how many games he's played.
5th in the B&F in a premiership year...his debut year, is a good enough reason to call him a star. He'd also be well inside the top 3 for 2009 so far.
He is loved by Hawthorn supporters like an own son, and that was very evident at the premiership celebrations.

If you wanna check out some of his first year highlights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_32gMMufyE

Then there is this goal from this year...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIVP6ilyDvY

As far as comparing Rioli to his Uncle, I'm not sure... I can see how people including Gary Lyon are thinking he may be the next Gary Ablett Jnr, he has the balance, skills and speed and compares very favourable to Little Gaz at the same age...it's just whether he can put it all together.

I and many other Hawks have already noted that the senior players look for Rioli, no matter if he is being manned or not and will send the ball in his direction in the belief he will beat his opponent more times than not.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I for one won't disagree with you Scabs.
Cyril is a gun (He'd want be with a first name like that ;D).

 

[Rosy]

As far as comparing Rioli to his Uncle, I'm not sure... I can see how people including Gary Lyon are thinking he may be the next Gary Ablett Jnr, he has the balance, skills and speed and compares very favourable to Little Gaz at the same age...it's just whether he can put it all together.

"May be" is speculation based on potential and whether Cyril ends up as good as Gazza is yet to be seen. I love Cyril as a player and wish he was a Tiger but Maurice has the runs on the board. If you cite Cyril being 5th in the B&F you'd have to acknowledge Maurice's achievements are a bit more impressive at this stage. Cyril might top them or he might not but he has a fair way to go

Maurice Rioli-

Named centre in Indigenous Team of the Century
RFC best and fairest in first and second years?
Runner up Brownlow
Norm Smith medalist in losing grand final
West Australian State Player
All Australian

 

[theScabman]

ahh yes, Rosy, but Cyril was 18 last year, whereas Maurice came over as a ready made player.

We'll see how Cyril compare when he's 25.

 

[frickenel]

ahh yes, Rosy, but Cyril was 18 last year, whereas Maurice came over as a ready made player.

We'll see how Cyril compare when he's 25.

That's the whole point though ScagBag, some people are talking on here as if he has Maurice covered now which is just silly.

Given Cyril's age, it's scary how good he could end up, but to compare him now to his uncle is delving into fantasy land. People have mentioned his evasive ability and skills, but to me it was how quick his brain worked that was his main asset along with the speed of his hands. There just didnt seem to be any lag time between head and hand which is probably why he was such a good boxer.

As for the Ablett comparrisons, i think you'll find that Mike Sheehan (no not the Herald Sun buffoon, but the other one), was the first to compare Cotchin to Ablett referring to his strength through the hips. Cotchin could be a massive talent, lets just hope that he realises that potential for us and not GC. If you talk to anyone within the club, they will tell you that Cotchin's ability as an 17 - 18 yr old is head and shoulders above anything they've seen in recent times at a comparative age and that includes Delidio. Right now i'm very comfortable with our selection of cotch at no.2

As one poster has already pointed out, he's yet to have a pre-season. The fact that he's already in our seniors this year racks of desperation in my eyes as i feel he should have had 3 or 4 more weeks at Coburg before unleashing him with some real game time and form.

Before we compare Cyril and Cotch, lets wait till say mid way through 2010

 

[Streak]

Maurice Rioli-

Named centre in Indigenous Team of the Century
RFC best and fairest in first and second years?
Runner up Brownlow
Norm Smith medalist in losing grand final
West Australian State Player
All Australian

And the rest Rosy

3 X All Australian
1 X WA Captain
3 X Simpson Medals

 

[Rosy]

We'll see how Cyril compare when he's 25.

Indeed we will but that's exactly the point. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could have Cyril ahead of Maurice at this stage. I hope he surpasses him one day, football will be all the better for it, but he has a fair job ahead of him to catch up.

Thanks for updating the very impressive resume Streak. My memory isn't what it used to be. ld

 

[Scoop]

Indeed we will but that's exactly the point. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could have Cyril ahead of Maurice at this stage. I hope he surpasses him one day, football will be all the better for it, but he has a fair job ahead of him to catch up.

Agree. Double Agree. Triple Agree. Football is so week to week. Yeah Cyril is great to watch and is a smooth mover but he rarely spends extended time in the midfield yet. Gary Lyon even compared Cyril to Gary Ablett jnr at the same age and intimated that he could follow the same path. Amazing.

 

[tigertim]

Now as much as I loved Maurice I have the memory that his last few seasons were disappointing. Does my memory fail me? I remember him being excellent 82-84, 85 being ok and not so good 86-87.

 

[theScabman]

That's the whole point though ScagBag, some people are talking on here as if he has Maurice covered now which is just silly.

Given Cyril's age, it's scary how good he could end up, but to compare him now to his uncle is delving into fantasy land. People have mentioned his evasive ability and skills, but to me it was how quick his brain worked that was his main asset along with the speed of his hands. There just didnt seem to be any lag time between head and hand which is probably why he was such a good boxer.

No one is saying Cyril has Maurice covered, all they are saying is that he has all the same tools and has already performed on the big-stage at a much younger age. It's that simple.
Whereas Maurice came over to Richmond and dominated games in his mid 20's, Cyril has been able to hold his position in a premiership team and create some fantastic passages of play as a 18-19yr old.

Anyone who watches Rioli can see his ability, skills and footy smarts(not to mention his decision making) to be just as good as Maurice, but no one is saying he already is.




p.s. the name is scabman, unless you want to take the discussion down the bigfooty path.