Dyer'ere said:
Dyer'ere you have nailed it in less than 100 words just in that sentence above. I'm starting to feel the once innovative, fresh, coach we hired not long ago is getting frustrated and things aren't working out as planned.
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Dyer'ere you have nailed it in less than 100 words just in that sentence above. I'm starting to feel the once innovative, fresh, coach we hired not long ago is getting frustrated and things aren't working out as planned.
geoffryprettyboy said:
Some things are struggling to come together for TW as quickly as he'd probably like, simply because we still dont have the group of players that are able to execute.
For me, the season 2007 is not about making the 8. That's secondary. Its a season about definitively identifying exactly where each and every player that's been on the list for 3 or more years actually stands. And that means a lot of young kids...not just the more senior players.
Dyer'ere said:
With a suspect list and the injury toll that we already have it will be a fine performance by TW to get us into the finals. I really think that as middle of the road as they go losing Cogs, Hall, Kingsley for extended periods of time already puts us behind the eight ball in terms of finals. We will need a golden run with injury and form to scrape in. Hopefully we can have a couple of bolters out of the pack (like Raines in 06) that will help ease the workload.
But if we win 9-10 games with a shcoking run, finish 9-12, clean out another 6-8 and have a good draft and trading period, I wouldn't be that upset. In fact if we did all that and were primed for 2008 I would be stoked.
jb03 said:
TW's achilles heel is the 'build a winning culture' crap. That is why he has allowed Miller et al to draft (not enough) & trade (too much) the way we have. Graham, P.Bowden, Kingsley are all stop gaps taking the place of kids on the list that MAY come good in 5 years - drafting is a numbers game.
Our list was a debacle, it is now better but at the cost of not being anywhere near as good as it could be in 5 years time. IMHO this will unfortunately come back to haunt TW and the rest of us as well.
maverick said:
I understand where you're coming from Maverick.
I don't have it on me, but my gutfeel is that if we hadn't've recruited from outside we'd've only had a handful, of a list of 44, that were between the ages of 22 to 28yo.
I believe that it would have condemned us to the bottom of the ladder for about 3 to 4 years from this time.
Imagine our team without Simmonds & Knobel, who'd ruck?
Imagine it without Polak or P.Bowden in defence, with Hall currently out for 8 weeks?
I'm sure there are other examples too.
I know there are some more boys that have to be recruited.
We need at least 1, if not 2, tall boys of about 196-8cms.
And, probably, another one 200cms plus.
At the other end, we could also do with another rover.
Hopefully they'll come in this draft.
But then again, don't I say this every year. :headscratch
(I like that 'headscratch' smiley.)
Lets see,Since TW,s arrival the main targets have been skilled runners:maverick said:
Lids
Tambo
Meyer
Casserley
Jon
Edwards
Conners
add the Improvement in Raines and Howat
All the above will make up the core group and id expect within 5yrs from now we,d be playing regular Finals at the very least.
KPP & Ruck im all for growing our own but also i dont mind the method of getting a player who has been in the system long enough to ease the Rookie,s into the system
INteresting that our most important players, save for Richo and perhaps Bowden, have all been recruited from other clubs - Simmonds, Johnson, Brown, Knobel at a strectch due to Simmonds injury and if you believe the hype, now Polak.
Hope TW follows through with the grow our champions own mantra rather than leave it as crowd pleasing rhetoric.
Hope TW follows through with the grow our champions own mantra rather than leave it as crowd pleasing rhetoric.
You make it sound like Richmond are the only ones who do it JB.Would you prefer we throw the kids in before they are ready?jb03 said:
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
No wasn't implying anything particularly just an observation of something that seems a little contrary to what TW has said.
You do raise an interesting question though - what determines when a kid "is ready". Perhaps you don't actually really know if they are ready until you try them in the big time.
A bit depends on the kids background.One could argue JR is more ready than Hughes because JR played amongst grown men last year.And of coarse you have the Judds and Lids of the worlds.jb03 said:
McGuane at FB? Id love for it too happen as we dont have anyone who looks like they want that position atm. McGuane looks way too light and too fresh to be starting there based on the 2 games i saw last yr!!!
It might be a great learning curb for Clever down there but i see him more as a 3rd tall option inthe future!!
We just dont have that defensive tall who will do all the dirty stuff like a Glass or a Fletcher. We have too many players in that floating 188-190 range who have that killer instinct at the moment!!!
However is JON a realistic option to play down key back in the future??
It might be a great learning curb for Clever down there but i see him more as a 3rd tall option inthe future!!
We just dont have that defensive tall who will do all the dirty stuff like a Glass or a Fletcher. We have too many players in that floating 188-190 range who have that killer instinct at the moment!!!
However is JON a realistic option to play down key back in the future??
McGuane to fb now would be a debacle ToO. You are jumping at shadows mate. Gas IS our option down there for now until others come up to some kind of standard. You can say all you like about the way he goes about his game (Gas that is) but he will be solid in general for us this year and we should wait before we just throw the likes of a Mcguane into that position and crucify them so early mate. Dont get so jumpy ToO.
There's a big heap of kids on the list that would be classed as growing our own.jb03 said:
The trouble with our list was the near total lack of quality players in the 24/28 year old range to guide the kids in their onfield development.
Johnson Captain
Brown Vice Captain
Simmonds in the leadership group, all taken from outside.
Due to the apalling list management in previous years, topped up by all our off field woes in recent years we had to have a balance between growing and developing our kids plus being competitive on match day.
There is no way our club would have survived another two or three years of Frawleyesque performances, losing 12/14 games in a row if we had just slashed the list and buried the kids week in week out.