Leysy Days said:
I was under the impression anyone drafted in the ND or PSD automatically got a two year contract. Rookie listed players would be one year which would be the ideal option for mature aged state league players.
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McGuane, White & Derrickx Get 1 Year Extensions
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I was under the impression anyone drafted in the ND or PSD automatically got a two year contract. Rookie listed players would be one year which would be the ideal option for mature aged state league players.
Muscles, I don't care about. I don't like the axe everybody approach forever.
Derrickxx is I s'pose better to have as back up ruckman than Gus, Browne and Derrickxx. Of the three we chose to keep XX. OK. Again I'm ok with delisting two of three.
I am a huge non fan of White's work. I don't think he's a leper. I think he's below average in a field where the players are average. Substandard flanker.
Derrickxx? Meh. Muscles? Better than Post. White? Whoa.
My take on the rather conservative list changes that have long been hinted at by the panel for end of season 2012 is that we are about stability. Steady managed change, rather than our long practised annual mass clean out of duds.
Derrickxx is I s'pose better to have as back up ruckman than Gus, Browne and Derrickxx. Of the three we chose to keep XX. OK. Again I'm ok with delisting two of three.
I am a huge non fan of White's work. I don't think he's a leper. I think he's below average in a field where the players are average. Substandard flanker.
Derrickxx? Meh. Muscles? Better than Post. White? Whoa.
My take on the rather conservative list changes that have long been hinted at by the panel for end of season 2012 is that we are about stability. Steady managed change, rather than our long practised annual mass clean out of duds.
Disco08 said:
Think you need to read leysy's post again. He thinks FJ & Co can do better than Matt White if given the pick to upgrade on him. Its the factthe club doesn't seem we want to try that raises leysy's eyebrow.
Disco08 said:
Really? Dont think so.
As it stands we've only got two rookie picks (less if Newman is on vets list & counted as a rookie??, not sure how that works) & if the jungle drums are right one of them could be used on Browne. We are going to have very very few rookie selections this year.
Disco08 said:
You made some good points earlier in the year re our lack of depth, against teams like Gold Coast etc. Which includes the players we are speaking about that dont really provide that. Yet when the time comes to try & improve on those players that arent giving us anything you seem happy to go cold.
brigadiertiger said:
Anyone state league player 23+ only gets one year in the Nat draft BT. Only brought in recently leysy believes.
Hope so. They are a fountain that keeps quenching your thirst.
Only two chances ATM are our PSD pick & one rookie pick.
Unless we go early on one in the ND, which we dont tend to do.
Only two chances ATM are our PSD pick & one rookie pick.
Unless we go early on one in the ND, which we dont tend to do.
Webberley, Nason and Derrickx were all ND SLR picks.
I understood you perfectly the first time. You don't like White as a player. They like him enough to give him a one year deal. You think that's evidence of something badly wrong with our talent identification process. I don't.
Wouldn't we have 3 rookie spots with Maric, Wright and Turner all delisted? How many state leaguers do you want them to have a crack at?
We've clearly already addressed our depth with the additions of Chaplin, Knights and Edwards. Our list will also start providing more depth as young guys start to reach AFL level. I personally wouldn't have kept any of these guys but as players likely to be in the 30-40 part of the list I don't see their retention on one year deals as anything to *smile* and moan about. It could be as simple as them keeping spots warm for a year as the LMC thinks next year's draft is worth picking deep into.
Leysy Days said:
I understood you perfectly the first time. You don't like White as a player. They like him enough to give him a one year deal. You think that's evidence of something badly wrong with our talent identification process. I don't.
Wouldn't we have 3 rookie spots with Maric, Wright and Turner all delisted? How many state leaguers do you want them to have a crack at?
We've clearly already addressed our depth with the additions of Chaplin, Knights and Edwards. Our list will also start providing more depth as young guys start to reach AFL level. I personally wouldn't have kept any of these guys but as players likely to be in the 30-40 part of the list I don't see their retention on one year deals as anything to *smile* and moan about. It could be as simple as them keeping spots warm for a year as the LMC thinks next year's draft is worth picking deep into.
Disco08 said:
Going by that sentence, no you didnt understand.
Disco08 said:
We currently have Darrou & Verrier on the RL. Ergo only two spots remain.
Disco08 said:
Good to hear. Hopefully we don't need to play them, & if we do unlike this year its not costly on performance.
Have to look at it from a risk management perspective.
If you look at this thread our success rate for over 50 picks is woeful:
http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=47248.0
With McGuane, White and derrickx the coaching team knows what they can do, they know where they sit in the team (outside of our best 22). They are there for depth only, if they play games then we have some serious injury problems.
To draft a new 23 year old from the state leagues we A) take a risk that they will fit into the club. B) Take a risk that they will be able to step up to AFL C) take a risk that they will be ok moving to melbourne.
For depth the risk of an untried player is out weighed by the security of three players that can compete at this level.
The decision is made so it is academic, but lets see the stats of the players taken by other teams after pick 50 this year.
Only Nahas, Derricks and Arnot remain from the last 5 years.
2011 - Matt Arnot 55
2010 - McDonald 51, Derrickx 60, Goudis 94 (UR)
2009 - Taylor 51, Webberly 67, Nason 71, Nahas 89 (UR), Browne 94 (UR)
2008 - Hislop 58
2007 - Putt 51
2006 - Connors 58, Pederson 60, Collins 73.
If you look at this thread our success rate for over 50 picks is woeful:
http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=47248.0
With McGuane, White and derrickx the coaching team knows what they can do, they know where they sit in the team (outside of our best 22). They are there for depth only, if they play games then we have some serious injury problems.
To draft a new 23 year old from the state leagues we A) take a risk that they will fit into the club. B) Take a risk that they will be able to step up to AFL C) take a risk that they will be ok moving to melbourne.
For depth the risk of an untried player is out weighed by the security of three players that can compete at this level.
The decision is made so it is academic, but lets see the stats of the players taken by other teams after pick 50 this year.
Only Nahas, Derricks and Arnot remain from the last 5 years.
2011 - Matt Arnot 55
2010 - McDonald 51, Derrickx 60, Goudis 94 (UR)
2009 - Taylor 51, Webberly 67, Nason 71, Nahas 89 (UR), Browne 94 (UR)
2008 - Hislop 58
2007 - Putt 51
2006 - Connors 58, Pederson 60, Collins 73.
Re: Re: Jayden Post
Please, Morton and Williams have more talent in their toes than White has in his body. Yeah, he will probably beat them in a Tan race but this is footy.
Terrible signings, I can sought of understand Derrickx because we have no ruck depth but I would of thought Knights is a White upgrade and Chaplin a major upgrade on McGuane.
Disco the rookie lists are down to 4 next year. Verrier, Darrou, Browne/Newman? Means we will have 1 pick, yay!
uhuh uhuh said:
Please, Morton and Williams have more talent in their toes than White has in his body. Yeah, he will probably beat them in a Tan race but this is footy.
Terrible signings, I can sought of understand Derrickx because we have no ruck depth but I would of thought Knights is a White upgrade and Chaplin a major upgrade on McGuane.
Disco the rookie lists are down to 4 next year. Verrier, Darrou, Browne/Newman? Means we will have 1 pick, yay!
Leysy Days said:
Ugh. Do I really have to say it word for word? You think it's easy to find a SLR better than White. They don't. That makes you think there's a serious problem with our talent identification process despite all our recent successes.
Leysy Days said:
Didn't realise rookie lists had been cut back to 4 so my bad on that. As pointed out though we can easily pick the SLR(s) we want in the ND or PSD as well as we have shown that's somethin were not at all afraid to do.
I have worked it out. Not sure about how it works with Derrickx but it is quite clear that we think McGuane and White will eventually father several sons who will turn out to be top class footballers so we need to get these two to 100 games so they can qualify for father/son hence the one year extensions.
McGuane saved his skin in the last few weeks of the season......just. The other two should have been delisted. White worked hard but got himself suspended at just the wrong time of the year. Derickx was good in his first game but woeful in his second. It is hard to see what he will bring next year. Maybe they think he will prosper under the new ruck rules or something. I can't see it myself.
The decision on Post was made a long time ago, his game in the opening round of 2012 saw to that and he did very little during the season to help his cause.
I'd have rolled the dice on a couple of State Leaguers, or on a couple of Delisted FAs next week. Even Cameron Wood would be a better back-up ruckman than Derickx.
BTW, speaking of the AFL's hidden rules, does anybody know anything at all about how the new veteran and rookie rules work? Have lists been expanded to 40, including two Vets? If you don’t have two Vets can you take an extra rookie? Have they changed the qualifying criteria for Vets? IS is four rookies plus vets or four rookies, including vets?
I’m just confused.
The decision on Post was made a long time ago, his game in the opening round of 2012 saw to that and he did very little during the season to help his cause.
I'd have rolled the dice on a couple of State Leaguers, or on a couple of Delisted FAs next week. Even Cameron Wood would be a better back-up ruckman than Derickx.
BTW, speaking of the AFL's hidden rules, does anybody know anything at all about how the new veteran and rookie rules work? Have lists been expanded to 40, including two Vets? If you don’t have two Vets can you take an extra rookie? Have they changed the qualifying criteria for Vets? IS is four rookies plus vets or four rookies, including vets?
I’m just confused.