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Midfield woes and the Judd effect

bullus_hit

Whatchu talkin about Jack?
Apr 3, 2006
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I think it's obvious to all that we are lacking in all departments but one things for certain, we will never emerge from this 25 year abyss until we manage to recruit elite midfielders of the ilk of West Coast or Brisbane in their prime. Lack of leadership and football smarts seems to be typical of the last two decades and the time has come to either groom the next Chris Judd or even better, poach him from the West.

It's been such a long time since a Tiger midfielder has grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck and literally blown the opposition away with silky skills and inspiring leadership. Think back to Matty Knights against the Bombers in 1995, staring down the bottom of the barrel he lifts the whole team with three critical running goals and lifts the whole team as a result.

Somehow I can't see Kane Johnson being the man to ignite the team, Tuck is blue collar battler and Foley. Tambling and Deledio are simply not ready to match it with the games elite.

I liked Tamblings game against the scum but he reminds me more of a young Peter Matera and will probably be best suited to a wing. Lids has the tools to be in the centre square and will probably take the next step in 2008 while Foley will be in the ilk of Scott West, lots of possesions but lacks the game breaking flare that can lift a teams self belief.

Assuming the latest batch of Edwards, Connors and JON don't fill the gaping holes in our midfield rotations we will be in dire trouble over the next few seasons unless a quality player is lured to the club. No disrespect to Johnson who has been servicable but any club who's captain is a tagger fails to recognise what it means to be a leader when games are in the balance.

Right now, I think the RFC should be chasing Chris Judd at all costs and that means giving up any player or draft pick with the exception of Brett Deledio. The Kangas have already offered 1 million a season so the bidding war is already on in earnest.

And one last point with regards to Richo, something tells me this may well be the beginning of the end for the big fella as it is clear he is as much a problem as he is an asset to the team. Some of the body language last night was reminiscent of the histrionics of a few years back and it's about time the leaders of the club set a good example for the young brigade. There is life beyond Richo and I think the time is right to consider our structure without the big fella as the main focus.
 
Please answer me one simple question. What the hell could we possibly use to convince judd to come to richmond????? Money isnt the issue. Other clubs will be prepared to offer as much if not more than us. Why would he want to come to a rabble club like ours that will be in the abyss for a further 25 years? The worst club in the southern hemisphere.
 
iitb said:
Please answer me one simple question. What the hell could we possibly use to convince judd to come to richmond????? Money isnt the issue. Other clubs will be prepared to offer as much if not more than us. Why would he want to come to a rabble club like ours that will be in the abyss for a further 25 years? The worst club in the southern hemisphere.

iitb, your constant sooking is becoming labourious. whinge whinge, sook sook. on one hand your begging the players to be strong and loyal yet sooking like a little kid and doing exactly the opposite. grow up!
 
blx said:
iitb said:
Please answer me one simple question. What the hell could we possibly use to convince judd to come to richmond????? Money isnt the issue. Other clubs will be prepared to offer as much if not more than us. Why would he want to come to a rabble club like ours that will be in the abyss for a further 25 years? The worst club in the southern hemisphere.

iitb, your constant sooking is becoming labourious. whinge whinge, sook sook. on one hand your begging the players to be strong and loyal yet sooking like a little kid and doing exactly the opposite. grow up!

Well said.
 
Considering what the West Coast would want we could go after the "scraps".
Lets say we finish last and Judd,s desire is to play for his boyhood side in melbourne.
West coast would want at least 2 top 10 picks[even 2 top 5 picks].
Would/could/should we offer Melb our #1 pick for say Colin Sylvia and Jarrod Rivers?
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Considering what the West Coast would want we could go after the "scraps".
Lets say we finish last and Judd,s desire is to play for his boyhood side in melbourne.
West coast would want at least 2 top 10 picks[even 2 top 5 picks].
Would/could/should we offer Melb our #1 pick for say Colin Sylvia and Jarrod Rivers?

If we finish last and Judd is out of contract we can get him in the pre season draft for NIX if we are nasty about it.

Hey I just understand TW revised 5 year plan and his coaching efforts last three weeks - make it so Terry - wonder if GM has already told Juddy we are tanking the year!
 
lamb22 said:
If we finish last and Judd is out of contract we can get him in the pre season draft for NIX if we are nasty about it.
I doubt very much Judd would leave West Coast out in the lurch
 
blx said:
iitb, your constant sooking is becoming labourious. whinge whinge, sook sook. on one hand your begging the players to be strong and loyal yet sooking like a little kid and doing exactly the opposite. grow up!

Couldn't agree more.
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
lamb22 said:
If we finish last and Judd is out of contract we can get him in the pre season draft for NIX if we are nasty about it.
I doubt very much Judd would leave West Coast out in the lurch

No he wouldn't but like simmonds - the trade would be done on our terms - I'd give em Tuck, Johnson and the two Bowdens - fair enough ya reckon?
 
I dont know why anyone honestly thinks Judd is going to leave west coast to go anywhere.

The only reason he hasn't re-signed is to leverage himself into a better position when he is finally ready to re-sign.
He is expecting himself to have a blinder of a season and therefore make himself worth more to WCE.
Its simple calculated risk.

He isnt going anywhere so I dont think theres any point even talking about trying to get him.
 
lamb22 said:

No he wouldn't but like simmonds - the trade would be done on our terms - I'd give em Tuck, Johnson and the two Bowdens - fair enough ya reckon?

It would be fair enough from our perspective. In fact it would be excellent. But WCE, unlike RFC, is a smart, strong club and would certainly realise that this deal would be severely short changing them.
 
lamb22 said:
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
lamb22 said:
If we finish last and Judd is out of contract we can get him in the pre season draft for NIX if we are nasty about it.
I doubt very much Judd would leave West Coast out in the lurch

No he wouldn't but like simmonds - the trade would be done on our terms - I'd give em Tuck, Johnson and the two Bowdens - fair enough ya reckon?
Id replace Johnson[will retire years end ;)] with Pettifer
 
Ridley said:
lamb22 said:

No he wouldn't but like simmonds - the trade would be done on our terms - I'd give em Tuck, Johnson and the two Bowdens - fair enough ya reckon?

It would be fair enough from our perspective. In fact it would be excellent. But WCE, unlike RFC, is a smart, strong club and would certainly realise that this deal would be severely short changing them.

Well if we were to finsih last they would have no option either thiose 4 or nothing - yeak you're right I'd take nothing. Seriuosly though they might take the risk on Cogs knee standing up - however if we were in fantasy land able to land Judd, I'd love to have a fit Cogs alongside him. If we traded for Judd we'd probably pick up cousins in the PSD ;D
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
lamb22 said:
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
lamb22 said:
If we finish last and Judd is out of contract we can get him in the pre season draft for NIX if we are nasty about it.
I doubt very much Judd would leave West Coast out in the lurch

No he wouldn't but like simmonds - the trade would be done on our terms - I'd give em Tuck, Johnson and the two Bowdens - fair enough ya reckon?
Id replace Johnson[will retire years end ;)] with Pettifer

As a new Captain Kayne - good idea - I concur ;D
 
Just day dreaming then. We trade the two Bowden's for Judd and hand over Tuck for Cousins and Cogs recovers fully we give Johno and Pettifer for Cox and trade Darren for Travis as Claw recommendedwe have a side as follows.


Newman Thursty JON
Raines Polak Polo
Lids Cogs Tambling
Riewoldt Schulz Edwards
Brown Hughes Meyer
Simonds Judd Cousins

Int: Casserly Connors Cox/Kreuzer Richo

Em Travis Gaspar :o Hall Krak Tivendale


Still crap but a good midfield :)

Doesn't look too bad actually oin assumption that key backs cut the mustard.